That's indeed turning into an interesting discussion. Please see my comments below.
> I agree with that - for a corporate setting. > It's just us miserable outcasts who can't join in! :-) We are always thinking about reviewing our licensing policy. Just not everything at once. I'm sure we will come up with a variety of licensing schemes covering most of the needs. > Yes, agreed. But with an open API for extending the system and a low > entry cost, perhaps IDEA could become the closest thing to a > "de facto" > Java IDE. Exactly. The Open APIs are coming soon. We try to find a balance so not that of Eclipse or Netbeans with generic core and heavy-weight solutions by third-party vendors or of Jbuilder with useless addins and heavy wizard-bloated core. Something inbetween, a feature-packed core satisfying hard-core professionals and an ability to enhance it with wizards or integrations or whatever people may come up with. For example our plans for the version control support have recently changed. We will create a set of VCS APIs and will provide our SourceSafe integration in source code as an example of how to implement such an integration. I'm sure there will be some implementations for other systems done by other people. It's simply not interesting for us to make an integration with StarTeam or ClearCase. It's not that we cannot do it or simply don't have enough resources for that. We will provide a hosting platform for open source projects complementing IDEA. > Yes, and I almost certainly will at the discounted rate. The > problem is > this $200 license - it says you can't register it to a > company, but does > that mean the billing cannot go to a company? That would > suck, as a small > company as a trading entity for an individual should be able > to register > this as a business cost. Without the bill in the name of the > company (and > payment) this is no good. The company may pay for you, there is no problem with that. Just the final licensee is you personally. Actually, the company can reimburse your purchase if they want to. However prease read our license agreement, the license is non-transferrable, so that even if your company pays for your license it will never own it anyway. /Eugene > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Wangjammer5 > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Eap-list] OFFTOPIC: Idea for personal use > > > > > Unfortunatly, software economics are not that easy. I'll > bet the gang > > at IntelliJ has given this a lot of thought. I for one > think that $399 > > is very reasonable for a corporate setting, and I'm in the midst of > > making that case to the company now. > > I agree with that - for a corporate setting. > > It's just us miserable outcasts who can't join in! :-) > > > There are two problems with your argument, IMO. > > > a) Your scale is way off. Games that sell for $50 have potentailly > > millions of sales, at least a couple of orders of magnitiude > > difference. On the other side of the coin look at software that big > > development shops use that has much less thought going into it, but > > also very few customers often sell in the $10,000 range. > Its all based > > on the size of the potnetial market. The market for really > good well > > thought out programmer's programmers tools is unforunatly > pretty damn > > small. Mostly, its just pearls before swine. > > Yes, agreed. But with an open API for extending the system and a low > entry cost, perhaps IDEA could become the closest thing to a > "de facto" > Java IDE. > > An open API would allow people to "dirty it up" with their > newbie wizards > and UI editors etc. that "shouldn't" come in the core IDE. > > > > Isn't it a case of 100,000 users @ $50 rather than $1,000 @ $200 ? > > > b) I really doubt it, but the real problem is getting > there. You have > > to have a sustainable business model, even these days, and > unless big > > money is willing to support you for 2-3 years to get to > that level of > > market saturation, you'll be long out of business before your > > ultra-cheap pricing strucuture catches on. > > Yes. It depends on how IntelliJ works of course. If its a > company with > investment this shouldn't be so bad, but if its a bunch of > talented guys > doing it in their semi-spare time, then the immediate income > isn't such a > deal ;-) > > > To us, its worth the price. But I do think that having a > $200 personal > > version is a really great idea; as you point out, most non-business > > users are not going to easily drop $400 bucks on anything. I'd > > consider buying IntelliJ out of my own pocket for that > much, its that > > great a tool. > > Yes, and I almost certainly will at the discounted rate. The > problem is > this $200 license - it says you can't register it to a > company, but does > that mean the billing cannot go to a company? That would > suck, as a small > company as a trading entity for an individual should be able > to register > this as a business cost. Without the bill in the name of the > company (and > payment) this is no good. > > At the normal rates, IDEA is more expensive than Windows XP Pro! I > realise the markets are vastly different here, but so are the > R+D costs. > > > We're programmers, dammit, why is it so hard to pay for > something that > > we know people put a lot of effort into? I'm all for > open-source and > > everything, but in some cases I think its led people to put little > > value on anything. Maybe that's good from an ultimate social utopia > > point of view, but in the meantime I'd like to keep the folks at > > IntelliJ happy and fed. :-) > > Me too! > > > Anyway, I can't find a key anywhere on the site for the current EAP > > program key. Does anyone know where it is? I'm still waiting for > > corporate approval to buy and am seriously jonesing... > > Haha. No EAP for another month or so. Jones away. > > How about some other innovations: > > 1) Point scoring system - a way to get discounted / free IDEA by > evangelising publicly (no not in towns or cities!) or perhaps > a sell-thru > system for websites. > > 2) Advert swapping. I'll give IDEA some free ads on my websites for > discount/freebies - How many hits would I need to get per > month to get a > free copy? :-) > > 3) Bulk-purchasing - couldn't we get 50 developers or so > together and get > a discounted rate? Come on give us EAP guinea pigs a break :-) > > 4) Can I part exchange it for my Jbuilder 4? Ha ha. How abut JB4 + > C++Builder 3 and an original copy of MS Office 97 thrown in for free? > C++;-) > > Cheers > > > > _______________________________________________ > Eap-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-list > _______________________________________________ Eap-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-list
