No I understand where your coming from with political power, but we in 
the majority at least in population should have a stronger power politically.
Women are in the majority especially older women in number of voters. 
More women vote than men at least in the States for the most part.
Whether I disagree with political power or not does not make me a 
feminist or not. I am a Feminist because I say I am. I think such terms 
are relative to whether or not the person claims to be a Feminist, 
Republican, Democrat or whatever. Feminists do not have to agree on 
anything. We are individuals.

Bertina Miller
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On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, Kylie Matthews wrote:

> >Kylie. Women are not in the Minority! In America and other countries
> >women actually outnumber men!    also do believe the majority of women
> >are in favor of feminism-just the type of feminism women disagree on.
> >
> 
> 
> Minority has two meanings.  One the meaning you are aware of relating to
> number and the other.
> 
> The 2nd meaning, the one I meant.  Minority refers to political power and
> has nothing to do with numbers.  Women are a political minority in terms of
> power,  if you don't agree with this then you needn't be a feminist because
> if we are not a minority now then we have achieved equality.
> 
> Respectfully,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>   "Interesting:  Your people glorified organised violence for 40 centuries,
> but you imprison those who employ it privately."
>  Mr Spock. Star Trek 'Dagger of the Mind'
> 
> 
> 
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul  3 07:50:11 1995
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: nature/culture 
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 07:50:35 -0600
From: "Mary C. Simmons, Hydrologic Assistant, Albuquerque, NM 
"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Phil wrote:

"Mary,  Point accepted. Sorry.  I do take it that we are in mutually accepted 
agreement at this point.  Right?"

I think we are mostly in agreement.  I WOULD like you (and others) to be less 
suspicious or even resentful of science---

Steve Duguid wrote: "....the discussion has really been focused on 'science', 
the human attempt to comprehend and then alter nature."

Now, *I* would just define science as the human attempt to understand nature, 
and leave it at that.  It occurs to me as one of the few scientists on this 
list that the "and then alter nature" part of Steve's definition may be the 
general view of science by everyone else.

I think any attempt to alter nature is within the realm of technology, which 
*uses* science to that end.  Personally, I believe we should stop attempting 
to "alter nature" and really adapt ourselves and cultures TO nature.  

As a woman scientist, I would like to revision science in this way.  Not as an 
evil manipulation of nature, but as a way we can learn to find our place again 
IN nature.  I would argue that it was not "science" that separated us in the 
first place, but patriarchy, and most notably, christianity, which (among 
other things) sought  to "separate the savage from the dust."

And separated like this it is easier to destroy...without conscience.  

Mary.

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