Julie, Mary:

        (Julie, I got two copies of your message.  All you need to do is 
        post to ECOFEM, and all subscribers are copied.)

        Yes, Camille Paglia is extreme.  (See "Vamps and Tramps".)  She's 
        bisexual and, in her own words, addicted to her own hormones.  She 
        admits getting excited at the sight of a beautiful woman, similar 
        to a male response.  (I think nearly all of us Italians hava a 
        hormone problem!)  She favors pornography, legal prostitution, etc.  
        She evens condones child pornography, which in my view goes way 
        over the line.  But she's extremely intelligent, and on the first 
        Firing Line debate, towards the end, she pinned Bill Buckley's ears 
        back, which was great.  (He can be such a jerk.)  She and 
        Betty Friedan were getting along quite well - Paglia said the 
        feminist movement has deviated from "The Feminine Mystique."  
        Whether that means Friedan has changed her views or was 
        misunderstood by the women's movement, I don't know.  Paglia also 
        did a pretty good job, in my opinion, of defending the Feminist 
        movement, which the opposition team attempted to totally trash.  
        Paglia makes some very good points, and I relate to her libertarian 
        streak.  (But, as we agreed earlier, I'm a sexist.)

        I'm still puzzled about the meaning of ECOFEM.  If the "FEM" part 
        refers to women's rights, as opposed to feminine characteristics, 
        what's the point?  Do you mean simply that providing equal rights 
        to women will help the environmental movement?  Well, gee, that's 
        easy - the answer is obviously YES.  So what's there to discuss, 
        other than to get more women into environmental management?  Go for 
        it!  Call Alyce Parmer (904/488-0450) of our Human Resources Bureau 
        if you're interested in the Florida Dept. of Environmental 
        Protection.  The agency is run by a woman, and many of the Bureaus 
        are run by women.  There are great opportunities here.

        If that's all there is to ECOFEM, then let's just talk about 
        environmental issues.  I had thought the tack was on the 
        differences of how women approach environmental problems, which I 
        think is an important issue because there's something to it.  Is 
        that something just a cultural phenomenon resulting from the way we 
        raise our kids?  You're right, we all possess both masculine and 
        feminine characteristics, and society certainly pressures men to be 
        the former and women to be the latter.  Are you saying we should 
        downplay the differences to break down the barriers to women's 
        rights?  Okay, that makes sense.  I definitely do NOT espouse the 
        "barefoot and pregnant" philosophy.  And surely downplaying the 
        differences will help women on the job and men at home taking care 
        of the kids, which is important flexibility to have so we can all 
        try to live life to the fullest.  Am I on the right track?

        If so, then why call it ECOFEM?  How about ECO-UNISEX?  I'm not 
        trying to be a smart guy, really.  I just need some guidance on 
        what issues to discuss.
                                                                aVr

P.S.    I'm on my own time now - at a terminal at home.

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