Mary, Shawn:

        I, too, want the same privileges as others.  When you speak of 
        constraints, you're singing to the choir.  Our elitist culture 
        holds many people down, of all colors, backgrounds, and gender.

        For example, engineers get quicker promotions and higher pay in 
        government jobs than biologists or chemists (I'm a biologist), even 
        though they have the same amount of education (4-year degree).  
        Why?  Because engineers have a strong organization that has rigged 
        the system in their favor.  Elitism, and it holds people back.

        Racism - still a big problem in America.  You may know that 
        Affirmative Action has helped women more than minorities.  Look at 
        the stats - women have made significantly more progress than 
        minorities in the past 30 years.  But not enough, in my opinion, in 
        either case.

        What I'm leading to is that we'd probably be better off working 
        together to break the good ole boy (and some girl) systems rather 
        than continuing the battle of the sexes.  Maybe I do have the wrong 
        impression of the typical feminist.  The Gloria Steinems and 
        Pat Irelands have, in my opinion, hurt womens' cause with excessive 
        "political correctness" and intolerance.

        I saw a couple debates on feminism on PBS hosted by William Buckley 
        that were interesting.  He had several feminists (including 
        Betty Friedan and Camille Paglia) on one side, and several 
        anti-feminists (Mrs. Huffington rings a bell) on the other.  All 
        females except for Buckley.  On several occasions the _feminist_ 
        side agreed that the feminist movement has gone astray, and is now 
        counter-productive.  Did anyone else see those?  Is feminism being 
        overhauled?  How can we work together?
                                                avr
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