In response to the exchange regarding the use of nuclear power: I am
very concerned and I agree that we need to think about the "cost"
involved. With nuclear waste we create something that has a very long
life and half-life. When there is a nuclear accident it has deep
reaching consequences in the ecosystem. I can't imagine anything worth
such serious poisoning of the earth. In addition to the debate over
alternative strategies for energy, there is much misinformation. We must
reflect upon who benefits from relying on current energy sources and the
resistance to change. The preservation of the status quo is not about
the best use of rescources. For example, there have been people who have
used their intelligence and creativity to come up with designs and
inventions which would be superior to fossil fuel driven engines. Guess
who bought the prototypes and patents? The answer is the people who had
vested interest in the auto industry.
I understand that this is a complex issue, but I do believe that good common
sense carries some weight here. We humans should not create waste that is so
dangerous to all life forms on this planet.
Over time, we have learned that "throwing away" is not a solution--
garbage doesn't just dissappear. We have been learning not to create that
which will not break down and become part of the natural cycle.
I hope that my input is helpful in your discussion. Thank you for
"listening" Colette
ps. I would like to hear more about the "holistic SHEP system" work. I
also have a couple of books that you may have read or might want to. One
is called Hope: Human & Wild and the other is called Ecopsychology which
I am very enthusiastic about. At present I don't have the books with me
so that is all I can tell you about them. If anyone is interested I will
write more info about them.
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wrote ... In fact I read somewhere years ago
that nuclear
> power was the best for the enviroment because it produces such little waste
> which is easily detectable and can buried a mile deep if need be. The wind
> power thing needs hundreds of square miles of noisy winmills while the
> solar idea has problems too--clouds I think. Maybe hydro is best but I have
> a hunch nuclear might hold the key to cleanliness.
> Thank you for your message. It is very thought provoking. It ref
> >reflects exactly my ideas only more concise and lucid. I have been preaching
> >a balance between the two extremes of environmental protection- one Adam & Eve
> >existence and the other Nuclear waste site in every backyard. We must realize
> >that every 'progress' or human activity has its cost- what is society willing
> >to pay? There are no free lunches. The 'haves' want to keep what they have
> >even at the extent of others, and even grab some more. As Arthur C Clarke once
> >commented that we have enough resources for human 'needs' but not enough for
> >human 'greed'. I have been making national and international presentations on
> >various topics involving a balance between development and SHEP (Safety, Health
> >and Environmental Protection). I look at Holistic SHEP Systems as each human
> >activity in one component of this system affects the others. We must realize
> >again that there are no free lunches- steaks or bean soup. Thanks for provokin
> >g my thought process. I will now stop preaching here and welcome your comments
> >, ideas, and references. Regards. Jivan
> >lectri, 16 Aug 1996 11:18:04 -0700 said:
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>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug 23 21:02:27 1996
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 11:09:44 +0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kylie Matthews)
Subject: Re: the fragmentation of feminism....
>For someone who is going to accuse me of calling feminists the 'other,'
if anything, your claim that i dont
>BELONG on this list is entirly misplaced.
You misunderstood my point. You called yourself other by calling feminists
them. this is why you don't belong because you yourself say you don't
belong. but I suppose you will willfully misunderstand me again as I have
found so many men to do. perhaps you could look at your own attitudes to
women and see if there isn't just a bit of patronisation there. do you
truely believe that men and women are equal? dont answer me here just
think about it.
You are the one that has indicated yourself as other to feminists.
>third, i dont know if you aim to exclude or if you just typed without
>thinking, but i dont see why i have to justify my existance on this list or
>any place else.
Again I am not excluding you. you did this yourself in your original post.
Your insult to me 'typed without thinking' is a typical male response to a
female where the male believes himself to be superior. i am not asking you
to justify your existance on this list. i am suggesting that you question
your own values and behaviour. that is all.
however, if you want that justification, here it is. i'm
>on this list to do three things: observe, learn and contribute.
Learn? well if this is so then i suggest you read and think about what
others are writing. or can you only learn from males?
>
>finally, why cant i be a non feminist and still participate on the list?
Precisely! you do not understand simple feminist teachings about the need
for a place of our own. you do not understand why an oppressed group needs
a place to discuss and to be without those oppressors there. Note: i am
not calling you an oppressor - you asked the question. if you belong to a
uni which has a women's room perhaps you could ask them why you can't join.
if you have not done so already. this just shows the inadequacy of your
thought and research in this area.
If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem - white man.
>especially when there has been no harm in inclusion.
no harm???? except of course the silencing of women who are afraid to speak
out in front of non- feminist non-understanding men. men who in every
breath they take are oppressing women.
>>One of the things that feminism has had to address since day one, and it
>>seems we still have to explain is that women are not 'other'. men it is
>>accepted are different from each other. women have been modelled to be the
>>same other, a category but not normal. let me inform you that women are
>>just as different from each other as men are from each other. this
>>sameness has been extended with vigour to the feminist movement in order to
>>discredit it.
>
>WHAT? first four sentences say that we're all different. then you say
>that our sameness discredits the movement, right?
no. read what i said. i said we are not the same and cannot be the same.
you are the one who is saying we should be the same. again exposing your
ignorance.
but above you say that
>woment aren't the other and that constructing a sense of the other is
>exclusionary and (basically) the cause of patriarchy. i dont understand,
>please explain with some level of cognizance.
again you attempt to discedit me, by saying your lack of understanding is
caused by -my- not explaining it to you at a level you can understand. I
am not responsible for your education or your learning ability. i would
happily explain things at your level if you requested this politely instead
of demanding it. History lesson: men have since adam first blamed eve for
his action in taking the apple blamed women for their actions thoughts
reactions ect. men blame women when they rape them; bash them, leave them
to starve, don't support their own children, can't cope, and of course
can't understand.
>[Kylie defines differnet feminist movements - yeehaw!]
another patronising jab?
Jason, i don't expect you'll reply to this and i also don't expect you'll
really think about what i've said. i think you'll continue to think of
yourself very highly and to patronise women. ive heard quite often from
men - oh no i'm a feminist - i like women. liking women is not enough to
be a feminist. i reiterate - feminism is about equality and about the
discourse about how to achieve this equality that has started over a
hundred years ago. in order to learn about something like this one has
first to be humble. i don't think you jason have ever been humble.
Kylie.
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