as to the cheers for what i said thank you. i may be straight but as the
saying goes i'm not narrow.
>By the way, I'm interested to know what peoples impressions of DISNEY as a
>corporation are anyway.
Personally i think Disney is great. the prices to get into their theme parks
is a bit steep for my wallet but that's my only complaint about them,
especially since they've stopped using stereotypical "helpless" maidens who
need to be rescued by a man characters in there movies. far too many young
girls are raised with that type of role model & end up with there self worth
entirely based on what some man thinks of them which is a large part of what's
wrong with this country. I may need a man for love & sex but that kind of
relationship goes both ways & is natural & balanced. when women think they
need a man to validate their very existence ie bear & raise his children then
that relationship is copletely out of balance with the man up on some kind af
a pedastle like a certain dead god i recently mentioned. On that subject read
Starhawk's Dreaming the Dark. as to the other part of Disney as a company;
they treat their employees great, great benes including domestic partner
benes, great pay, no overwork without proper compensation & even then it
doesn't happen often or for long, great worker morale, etc. The only other
thing i don't like about Disney i would say about the entire industry that
caters to kids which is the commercialism; kids are being socialized way too
much that money grows on trees & that there identities are strictly validated
by whether or not they own the latest toy or clothing that goes with the
latest kid movie. they won't be cool if they don't therefore they will
suffer. There's something wrong when a grocery store actually has a toy
aisle. You shouldn't need to bribe your kids to behave certain ways in
certain environements. & then of course there's the movie partnerships with
Burger King & McDs; talk about unhealthy food. it teaches kids very unhealthy
eating habits.
As far as I know (and maybe someone will tell me
>I'm wrong) Disney doesn't really officially sponsor the gay fest anyway...
no they don't from what i've been told from more than one source several gay
organizations & gay friendly travel agencies sponser it. Disney just
cooperates & it's not like Disney goes out of there way to do things any
different during the period that the "gay fest" goes on to cater to the "gay"
lifestyle. for example they don't to my knowledge do gay weddings in
Cinderella's castle, not that i'd complain about that. they allow people of
the same sex to take rooms at the various hotels etc. there year around so why
should it be any different during this "gay fest." While more actual same sex
couples will likely be taking such accomadations during this period than other
periods it could still be the situation of a pair of same sex friends going to
seee the resort staying together simply to save money just like any other
period. So if Disney were to ban it during this time they'd have to ban it
year around not just to avoid law suit but to avoid any appearance of
impropriety. & a lot of people would complain about that more than those
twits in the religious right could shake their self righteous stick at.
>Someone recently mentioned Disney, at a gay men's retreat here in Montana,
>as having "done a lot" for the gay community... I didn't really agree with
>him... I mean, what... "Ellen"?! Any comments on this?
the only thing they have done is excepting domestic partnerships in their
benes packages to their employees but alot of companies are finally doing that
so it's nothing new. Just because they are so big it's more open & obvious.
My mom works for LL Beans & they offer Domestic Partner benes too as do most
state govt jobs now adays. as to Ellen it is an NBC sitcom & as a general
rule i don't like much NBC puts out in the way of comedy these days. The only
comedy i catch regularly would have to be Spin City so I won't comment on
Ellen as i can't recall ever seen it.
>
>let's wish upon a star that we can SAVE this PLANET before the HATE
>MONGERS have yahweh's much touted and anticipated doomsday APOCOLYPSE....
Well bad news there the goddess will be shaking her fleas off shortly; not
that she hasn't already started but it will such a laugh to watch as those
same people find out to there shock that it wasn't what they've been told it
will be.
aedrienne
"God save me from your followers, or at the very least tell em to stop eyeing
me with those damn torches & a stake again, been there once already & it as
you know SUCKED!"
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 28 22:17:07 1998
Subject: Re: Anti-abortion group to protest gay fest at Disney
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 00:19:58 -0400
From: Justin Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
While I was not aware that Disney was queer, it is well knwon that he was
very anti-Semitic and had pro-Nazi sympathies. Remember, J. Edgar Hoover
was gay. Being gay doesn't make you a good person. Another note,
progessive queers should not be supporting Disney, a company that has an
extensive sweatshop operation in Haiti without regard to either labor
rights or environmental concerns. In addition, Michael Eisner, CEO of
Disney is one of the highest paid executives in America, a fact that is
even more starling when compared to the pennies made by his employees in
the third world.
Furthermore, while I share your general analysis of fundementalist
Christianity and Paganism, I would argue first that not all Christians
are evil and that second, the presence of magic in Disney films is not
indication of Paganism. Many denominations and many individual
Christians have had significant impacts on progressive movements,
including pro-choice and pro-queer movements. So I wouldn't be too quick
to bash Christians or to celebrate Disney as a pro-Pagan, pro-queer, etc.
company.
Justin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>excuse me but last time i checked Walt Disney you know the guy who drew
>Mickey
>etal was quite guy & had a long standing partner who lived with him. so this
>idiocy the Disney originally stood for family values etc is simply crap.
>alot
>of the early stories were about witches & wizards not all bad ones either.
>quite pagan if you know where to look. i wish i had the $$$ to go down there
>i'd stage a counter protest celebrating the life of my paganism & the
>death of
>the christian religion ie. first they offed their god, then they proceeded to
>where on people who simply had dark skin & a slightly different religion from
>them; the Moors & the Crusades, then they burnt hung &/or tortuted to death
>over 600 million mostly women just to get their land & let the new (male)
>physicians have a new monopoly & to let the other women know how was in
>charge. luckily the Goddess survived & she will survive this too. However
>seeing as the park including the outside of the gates is all Disney private
>property somewhat different from the sidewalk of a health clinic; it will be
>interesting to see them promptly arrested for trespass on private property &
>banned from the park - a protection order on all the protesters. the law
>surrounding this type of thing is significantly different than even a
>shopping
>mall. the park is private property & has the right to say who can come & go
>from it's premises as well as who cannot. they would have to go to the very
>edge of the park in the surrounding town of Orlando to protest legally. &
>that edge is on the outsides of even the parking lots, resorts & much of the
>street around the park & going into it. in other words with air conditioning
>they have to have at least a million people to even have a chance of being
>heard the first time before they are all arrested. Also being that Disney
>pretty much owns Orlando city hall; the first arrested & all others later on
>will probably be left in jail til the gays are gone. ( i have a cousin who
>lives in Orlando & several other throughout Florida) So have know fear
>unless
>some judge makes new law which isn't likely this protest will likely fall
>flat
>on it's face within the first few days.
>
>aedrienne
>who came temporarily out of lurker mode
>
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 28 22:21:33 1998
Subject: Re: Anti-abortion group to protest gay fest at Disney
Date: Fri, 29 May 98 00:24:24 -0400
From: Justin Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Someone recently mentioned Disney, at a gay men's retreat here in Montana,
>>as having "done a lot" for the gay community... I didn't really agree with
>>him... I mean, what... "Ellen"?! Any comments on this?
>
>the only thing they have done is excepting domestic partnerships in their
>benes packages to their employees but alot of companies are finally doing
>that
>so it's nothing new. Just because they are so big it's more open & obvious.
>My mom works for LL Beans & they offer Domestic Partner benes too as do most
>state govt jobs now adays. as to Ellen it is an NBC sitcom & as a general
>rule i don't like much NBC puts out in the way of comedy these days. The
>only
>comedy i catch regularly would have to be Spin City so I won't comment on
>Ellen as i can't recall ever seen it.
>>
Ellen is an ABC sitcom, which is owned by Disney. I know that the
increased interweaving of coporate ownership of the media makes these
distincitons difficult to make, but Ellen is an ABC sitcom. That is why
the Southern Baptists decided to boycott Disney.
Justin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri May 29 03:25:05 1998
From: "Sarah. J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:26:34 GMT +0100
Subject: Re: Anti-abortion group to protest gay fest at Disney
I'm not so sure the Disney films are pro -pagan either.
I may be misremembering, but at least the traditional films had pagan
archetypes as the baddie. The "wicked stepmother", for example. And
in the little mermaid, also, the "squid woman" who took Ariel's
voice...
PRESIDENT; Rampant feminist's Assoc.
