....uh Bertina--

What I am saying is NOT a woman only list, but rather that the 
DISCUSSION of male privilidge is an important topic that is entirely 
appropriate for this list...

There appears to be a knee-jerk defensiveness that comes into the 
picture when this subject gets hauled out..." if you don't like 
this, go start your own..."  This is not helpful.

Lydia

> It is all very well for women to have their own space. I being a single
> woman, with no children, have plenty of space of my own. I joined a
> listserv so I can learn about diverse issues, topics and opinions and not
> from one gender alone. Start a Seperatist Listserv if that is so important
> to you.
> 
> Bertina
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Lori Anne Parker wrote:
> 
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe that males who espouse ecofeminism need to acknowledge the
> > > priviledge that maleness (especially white, heterosexual maleness)
> > > confers,  nearly universely.  Much of it goes unrecognized in a world
> > > that defines humanity with an androcentric (male) bias.  The
> > > anarchist meeting so vividly exposes the virulent fear and backlash
> > > that often occurs when this concept is brought forth for discussion.
> > > And I feel that this list is a very appropriate place for it to be
> > > discussed.
> > >
> > 
> > this is EXACTLY what i was getting at in my post regarding privilege and
> > the need for women-only spaces.  I read this after writing the other one.
> > 
> > - Lori Anne
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
Linda Littrell
Applied Economoics
University of Minnesota
612/625-1762
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug 28 07:33:49 1998
From: Sarah Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Fwd: U$ terrorism
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:32:08 -0400

By the way: It's Fort Benning in Augusta Georgia. Contact SOA Watch in
Washington DC if you are serious about condemning this school. The
arrest of about 500 people at last years protest at the gates of Ft.
Benning that went unreported is one of the biggest farces of the media
that I've seen! 500 people are arrested by MPs and NOONE reports on
it?????

> ----------
> Sent:         August 27, 1998 4:01 PM
> To:   STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT
> Subject:      Re: Fwd: U$ terrorism
> 
> Date sent:            Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:34:43 EDT
> Send reply to:        [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From:                 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To:                   STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:              Fwd: U$ terrorism
> 
> > In a message dated 98-08-26 03:02:21 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
> > 
> > << > In "Chomsky for beginners" it said someting like "when they do
> it its
> >  > terrorism, when we (U$) does it its foreign policy."
> >  
> >  You think WE'RE brutal? The Hezbollah targeted a Soviet diplomat in
> 
> >  Beirut - once.  Within days, the body of a brother of one of the 
> >  Hezbollah leaders was dumped in front of their headquarters, with 
> >  his genitals sewn in his mouth.  They never hit the Soviets in 
> >  Lebanon again. >>
> > Maybe we're not that brutal but we come pretty close.  Thousands of
> south
> > americans have been tortured and kill in cruel ways by death squads
> trained by
> > the School of the Americas in fort bently.  In the SOA the US gov't
> trains
> > commandos to assasinate and torure then they go to south america
> train locals.
> > they do things like rape a mans wife, sodomize his children then
> kill him.
> > Bodies have been found with eyes gouged out.
> > 
> I condemn the actions of the Fort Bently alumni and am in favor of 
> abolishing the school.  BTW, the cuban-americans who were 
> plotting Castro's murder have been indicted for it and will be tried.
> If 
> we can, let's do the same for Osama Bin Ladin (who has conspired 
> to kill both Clinton and the Pope), and Saddam Hussein (who 
> conspired to kill Bush).
> 
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Aug 28 07:41:57 1998
        by dryctnath.mmu.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2)
        for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:37:57 +0100
From: Richard Twine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ecofeminism web-ring II

a reminder and an apology, the latter first.
it seems i've messed up on the technology front and that when you try to
submit your site to be part of the ecofeminism web-ring it, erm, doesn't
quite work. so I will endeavour to sort that out today. on the plus
side, FAR (Feminists for animal rights) are to join the web-ring, which
is great.
and the reminder part: if anybody is keen to join the ring but has no
web-site, it is incredibly easy to set up your own web-site for free.
i'll list below a couple of places which offer free web-sites. this
would be your opportunity to have your say/give your perspective on
ecofeminism e.g. reviews of ecofeminist books, poetry, guides to
ecofeminist activism, or your own theoretical meandeerings on the
subject, whatever, just be original and creative. I'm also in need of
people to help me run the ring, very little work required. If you are
not familiar with just what a web-ring is, try http://www.webring.com

best wishes,
richard
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The Ecofeminism web-ring
http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/8385/ecofemwebring.html
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Start your own web-site, try
http://www.geocities.com           OR
http://members.tripod.com
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