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Lydia, et al.:

I feel that I (and other men) have been a little too vocal, but Lydia =
seems to be fishing for acknowledgement of white male advantage on our =
part--which I do not consider to be an unfair request.  I agree that a =
discussion of male privilege is appropriate to this list and I'll kick =
it off.

Let's start with socialization.  My mom and dad raised me to believe =
that God was (effectively) a white man--I remember those Germanic =
pictures of Jesus very well.  If we did bad he would smite us with his =
"terrible swift sword."  The president was also a man.  Congress was men =
(except for a few radicals).  The Supreme Court was men.  Most of =
corporate America was men.  This gave me a wide range for which to aim.

Twenty years (o.k. thirty years) later, let's see where we are.  God's =
still a white man.  The president is still a white man.  Congress--so =
white and male that if it were a country club, you'd probably resign =
from it before you ran for Congress.  The Supreme Court--mostly white =
and male, with some good exceptions and some bad ones.  Corporate =
America?  Forget it.

Even when there is diversity, the diverse are often (though not always) =
white men in disguise.  Clarence Thomas =3D Byron White?  He's certainly =
no Thurgood Marshall!  Susan Molanari =3D Alphonse D'Amato?  She isn't =
Pat Schroeder!  Mother Jones had an excellent article about the white =
masculinization of women and minorities working within the =
system--including a woman who laid off thousands of women, including =
single mothers and moved a clothing factory to Mexico.  You don't have =
to be white and male to be part of the patriarchy anymore--but it =
definitely helps.

There are some very nice exceptions, too, but not on the scale I would =
expect.

Girls can't wait to get the "Math is hard" Barbie, and boys are strongly =
encouraged to play with "Little Soldiers."

White Male America decided that the 15% of women and minorities taking =
up slots in law schools and public universities was too much and that we =
need to roll back affirmative action.

Yet to hear the crybabies that listen to Rush Limbaugh, you'd realize =
that White Men have been oppressed in the USA since the start of the =
Clinton Administration--the same Clinton Administration that's standing =
by powerless while Obersturmbahnfuhrer Gingrich and company dismantle =
the accomplishments of the last thirty years.

I benefit from all of this--but I don't like it.  I walk the streets =
where I want, when I want.  I get a job a lot easier than women, Blacks, =
Latino/as and Native Americans.  And that job is almost always going to =
pay more.  Nobody abuses me when I go in to have medical procedures =
performed.  I can fly without being undressed or harassed.  Even if I am =
arrested, I'm more likely to get off easy.  I'm not beaten by skinheads =
or denied health and life insurance.

Why do I care?  I'm a father, a husband and a son.  Because it's right =
to care.  It's just.

What can I do?  First of all, I try to look at the world from a feminist =
perspective.  That's not easy for me!  Sometimes, it's like reading a =
book in a second language.  Second, I support affirmative action!  Not =
just in an abstract way, but when I have input in hiring (which occurs =
often at the University of Colorado at Denver).  Finally, by respecting =
nature and life and recognizing the connection between nature and women. =
 Recognizing that neither is an object, but a partner.  But it's not =
enough to "respect" and "recognize," one must be active.  One must =
educate other white men.  As you know, a large sector of white men only =
listens to other white men.  That's why it is vital to develop some =
white men who are willing and capable of teaching feminism, and to =
include it in a variety of curricula.  I believe we must also reject the =
Republicrats, who are every bit as committed to the patriarchy as the =
Republican "Party of God," that's why I changed my affiliation to Green.

I don't deny that I have certain privileges based on my status within =
the patriarchy--but as someone who chooses to use those advantages to =
work with women, minorities and GLB/Transgendered people, I want to =
point out that I AM NOT THE ENEMY.  I love the patriarchy no more than =
you, even if I receive its bounty.  I suggest that most within this =
forum understand this, as Dr. King so eloquently pointed out earlier =
this week.  There are probably those here who would replace the =
Patriarchy with a Matriarchy, and it would probably work better, but =
ultimately, shouldn't our goal be a partnership without gender =
dominance?  This is what history and nature teaches me, and this is my =
goal--and probably the goals of other males here as well.  (Oops there I =
go speaking for others again...)

I'm going to fade into the background again (I'll be in Boston for the =
APSA meeting next month and would love to meet anyone at the Women's =
Studies section if you want to drop me a line.) and let the balance of =
posts to the list restore itself.  :)

Tim Hundsdorfer
 (303) 556-2770
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-----Original Message-----
Sent:   Friday, August 28, 1998 8:17 AM
To:     STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT
Subject:        Re: separtism and saving the world

...uh Bertina--

What I am saying is NOT a woman only list, but rather that the=20
DISCUSSION of male privilidge is an important topic that is entirely=20
appropriate for this list...

There appears to be a knee-jerk defensiveness that comes into the=20
picture when this subject gets hauled out..." if you don't like=20
this, go start your own..."  This is not helpful.

Lydia

> It is all very well for women to have their own space. I being a =
single
> woman, with no children, have plenty of space of my own. I joined a
> listserv so I can learn about diverse issues, topics and opinions and =
not
> from one gender alone. Start a Seperatist Listserv if that is so =
important
> to you.
>=20
> Bertina
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>=20
> On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Lori Anne Parker wrote:
>=20
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe that males who espouse ecofeminism need to acknowledge =
the
> > > priviledge that maleness (especially white, heterosexual maleness)
> > > confers,  nearly universely.  Much of it goes unrecognized in a =
world
> > > that defines humanity with an androcentric (male) bias.  The
> > > anarchist meeting so vividly exposes the virulent fear and =
backlash
> > > that often occurs when this concept is brought forth for =
discussion.
> > > And I feel that this list is a very appropriate place for it to be
> > > discussed.
> > >
> >=20
> > this is EXACTLY what i was getting at in my post regarding privilege =
and
> > the need for women-only spaces.  I read this after writing the other =
one.
> >=20
> > - Lori Anne
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
>=20
Linda Littrell
Applied Economoics
University of Minnesota
612/625-1762
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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