Date sent: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:29:25 EDT
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Subject: Re: family size,etc.
> In a message dated 98-10-14 20:40:43 EDT, you write:
>
> << The root cause of overpopulation is the vast number of nuts
> heedlessly sprouting; in other words, contraceptionless sex.
>
> Joe
> >>
> And what causes reproduction? Fertility - so blame life for life - makes no
> sense! Blame a lack of understanding, Blame poor living conditions, etc. Do
> not blame Mother Nature for having a mania for reproduction! You are here as
> proof of that not to help correct it!
>
> Peace!
> Angela
>
Are you here stating that you are toeing the papal line and are
against any contraception outside the "rhythm method", in spite of
the oppression this can bring to women who die before their time as
a result of the bodily stress of having too many children, and the
devastation which our burgeoning population inflicts upon our
planet? Do you know what couples are called who use it? "Daddy"
and "Mommy" - by a slew of kids! Are you also opposed to abortion
when it is the woman's choice? How about in the cases of rape or
incest? As long as we do not demonstrate any reproductive wisdom
and self-restraint, we are no better than a mindless cancer sucking
the life out of the bosom of Mother Earth!
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 15 12:43:52 1998
From: "Joe E. Dees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:43:44 -0500
Subject: RE: Family size & sustainability
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One of the problems is also not only how much one consumes, but
what. Lions are on the road to extinction in India because the local
populace is burning up their environing forests, tree by tree, for
cooking fires. I would much prefer them using ten times the energy
per capita, if it were natural gas.
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 15 13:11:03 1998
From: "Joe E. Dees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:11:09 -0500
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From: Candi Chruchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: family size,etc.
Originally to: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Wow Joe?so the root of all of the evils in society from corporate greed and
> environmental exploitation to poor governmental policies is all those
> stupid women who go around and fuck all the time without protection? Women
> heedlessly sprouting because putting your body through 9 months of
> pregnancy and then delivering, then taking care of the child for over 18
> years is just so much fun and so rewarded and respected. The nuts you are
> referring to are women. I think you are wrong, Joe. And I think your
> comment is sexist and arrogant. You are putting all the blame and
> responsibility on women. You are totally overlooking the realities in
> women's lives across the world: lack of economic security, little or no
> access to reproductive freedom, and also the racist implications of
> sterilizing and forcing poor, "Third World" women to "limit" their
> children. C'mon, the root of the ecocrisis cannot be found in our wombs.
> We are not the ones in control. Take a look at the damage caused in the
> USA from "welfare queens" vs. corporate welfare and you'll quickly see
> that the root is far from us.
> Candi
I mistakenly assumed that you would grasp the metaphors of "root"
and "sprout" (male genital). I am decrying the men who refuse to
use or allow their wives to use birth control, and all the male clerics
they are unfortunately able to cite to justify their position.
>
> The root cause of overpopulation is the vast number of nuts
> heedlessly sprouting; in other words, contraceptionless sex.
>
> Joe
>
> > Bertina, thanks for clearing that up. However something else causes
> > overpopulation, something else causes poor governmental policies and
> something
> > else causes the unequal distribution of wealth. And those something elses
> are
> > at the root of the current ecocrisis - You have to peel back the layers
> so to
> > speak or dig deeper to get the root of problems - curing the stems and
> the
> > fruits won't heal the plants and the trees, if the soil is bad you have
> to
> > cure that- the soil is where the root is - same applies to the ecocrisis
> -
> > there are root causes of the problem - cure those and you begin to cure
> the
> > problems!
> >
>
>
