In a message dated 98-11-13 07:39:38 EST, you write:

<< I read your slanderous posts of weird witches, false shamans and 
 black magic, I truly wonder how different you all really are from 
 each other.   Joe 
  >>
Hi!

Joe are you saying there are no weird witches, false shamans (I did not say
false - I said shamans who misuse the power, and no black magic?  I see - and
who is the Crone?  What are magick spells used in Wicca?  And I know for a
fact that shamans have been accused of misusing the power - they just get
carried away!  

So - how is what I said slanderous if it is true? 

There has been a lot said and a little understood.

Peace!
Angela
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> In a message dated 98-11-13 05:55:36 EST, you write:
> 
> << Are you still trying to tell me my mother didn't have ovaries Angela?
>  
>  love, Chris.
>   >>
> Hi!
> 
> Chris - cool it!  Your mother huh!  Ok Chris - what does the bible -wherein
> the culmination of the evolutionary epoch which you are trying to undertake
> -say about "black magic and the witch?"  Would you care to enlighten us about
> that or would you like me to!
>

Your bible says, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."  Would you, 
in obediance to your god, kill us if you had the chance?  Would it 
be a sin if you did not?  What does this all say abour the possibility 
of finding any redeeming tolerance in your fundamentalist beliefs?  
(By the way; there is no devil in the Craft; only in transcendant 
monotheism.  Thus, this satanic preoccupation is solely yours, not 
ours.  Humans do enough evil things to the world and each other 
without any help, thankyouverymuch).  Joe 
> Back to the tree in the Garden (says Chris)- do you all remember who was
> banned from the Garden for tempting Eve? Oh yea - the Dark One - him/her?!  OK
> so now Chris, the practiced shaman practices black magic and brings him/her
> back - oh Joy to the World - now we will all be saved or is this - could it be
> really the end!  Get it?  
> 
> Maybe I am totally off base - but guess what - If God (the almighty
> creator/omnipotent all powerful one) wanted to give birth to a son through a
> virgin woman so that the message would be pure and untouched by you know who
> (the one who was banned from the garden) - then good for you God and I am glad
> you did it!  Saved us - or did it?  Can't save you if you don't believe it!
> How can you believe that there is a powerful entity/God that created this
> world and not believe that that God can choose to create a PURE/unadultered,
> unpentratable birth of a Son to bring the message of his light and love to the
> world - a message that can not be touched by the Evil Spirit of the banned one
> - Get it?    
> 
> Now if for some reason you are still having trouble following this - Ask Chris
> to explain!  His mother is not your mother - but the nemesis of God (nemesis
> means enemy folks!) - your mother is Blessed Mary - mother to your savior -
> son of your God!  She was pure and obedient to The Holy Spirit of God - she
> was humble and true and kind. Don't be fooled!  The you know who was banned is
> VERY TRICKY!
> Wants back in - what do you say?  Would it be OK to bring more darkness into
> the world?  Don't you think we have enough?
> It may actually be too late - people have already turned away from God at an
> alarming rate!
> 
> Ask yourself if you want harmony, life, love and light in the world - yes or
> no - If you said yes, my advice look into and look for God again.  Bring back
> God not the you know who!  
> 
> We think we want liberation but what we need is discipline - We need to
> discipline ourselves to the flow of the natural laws of God and the natural
> world.  We actually need less freedom and more discipline - my humble opinion!
> 
> Peace!
> Angela
> 

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