> Regarding the cookie recipe ...
Please remember to substitute "egg replacer" for eggs and
soymilk for milk.
your friendly vegan Joel.
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 30 13:03:15 MST 1994
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 13:06:48 -0700 (MST)
From: catherine lavender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Subject Lines on Posts
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
This is just a brief request that people posting to this list (which is
high-volume a lot of the time) remember to put accurate subject lines on
your posts to allow those of us who are merely lurking to decide if we
can delete w/out reading :).
Thanks!
Cat
Catherine Lavender, Department of History, University of Colorado-Boulder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 30 14:38:49 MST 1994
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
edcf7700; Thu, 1 Dec 94 10:06:40 +1200
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:56:42 +1200
Subject: Re[2]: your mail
Wainwright Joel
David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dear Joel,
What about the chocolate. In fact why don't you just totally
anihalate the whole recipe if you have to substitute all the ingredients.
Better still, change the recipe and sell it back to Neiman Marcus.
One thing I've really noticed about American food is this need to make it
so totally artificial -"egg replacer??!!". I guess this lack of
understanding is just par for the course when your a hick Kiwi from down
under with access to real food.
P.S. This isn't from Lisa.
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 30 15:49:30 MST 1994
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:52:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Goddess of Disco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: egg replacer/artificial
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Wed, 30 Nov 1994 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, it wasn't Lisa, but whoever...
> One thing I've really noticed about American food is this need to make
it > so totally artificial -"egg replacer??!!". I guess this lack of >
understanding is just par for the course when your a hick Kiwi from down >
under with access to real food. >
I don't know about the other vegans on the list, but the egg replacer I
use is made from potato starch, and it works just fine, thanks. If eating
"natural" foods means cramming chickens into cages, snapping their beaks
off... oh, never mind. Let's just say I'll take "artifical" over the "real
thing" in this instance any time. :)
please don't flame me.
Lori
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 30 15:58:49 MST 1994
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:01:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Constance Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: egg replacer/artificial
To: Goddess of Disco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hello all:
I must concur with Lori who took exception to the comment that
egg replacements were somehow unreal or unnatural. I suspect that there
are many vegans and vegetarians on this list (myself included) so
comments trivializing our concerns are offensive and inflammatory.
Connie Russell
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 30 16:27:04 MST 1994
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:30:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Swarr Amanda Lock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: vegans are great!
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Wed, 30 Nov 1994 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear Joel,
> What about the chocolate.
most chocolate used in baking is vegan dark chocolate, that is to say it
doesn't contain any animal products such as dairy or eggs.
> One thing I've really noticed about American food is this need to make it
> so totally artificial -"egg replacer??!!".
although i would hesitate to use the category "american" food for such a
culturally nation, i agree that many people in the united states eat
lots of unhealthy processed food. However the primary ingredient in egg
replacer is potato starch and its works just as well as eggs in
recipes -- minus the animal cruelty.
I guess this lack of
> understanding is just par for the course when your a hick Kiwi from down
> under with access to real food.
to me, real food does not include imprisoned animals and the effects of
bovine growth hormones. not to mention the health benefits of being
vegan! i'm trying to be respectful here, especially in terms of obvious
differences in opinions re: veganism, but i felt that the author of this
response (lisa? not lisa?) was rather disrespectful. few of us have the
resources to eat completely "real" food, but i personally try to make
conscious and informed choices about the products i buy, particularly
those which i consume. as a vegan, i do what i can.
amanda
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 30 16:51:13 MST 1994
Wed, 30 Nov 94 18:49:29 -600
From: "colt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: SAIC EHSG WE RECYCLE
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:48:58 EST
Subject: vegans
Hello all-
I have to admit that I wasn't quite as shocked by the hick Kiwi's
letter, neither being vegan nor vegetarian myself, but I do have a
question. Most of the responses alluded to cruelty to animals as
your rational for using vegan products. I can see your point here
clearly and do agree, but I wonder, seriously, would you all use
eggs, etc. if you had your own chickens or whatever and let them
range about and didn't cut off their beaks (or horns) and pump them
full of steroids? I eat almost no meat products, primarily because
of these reasons and reasons dealing with the economics of
agriculture, but I would have no problem eating my own cows or my
chickens eggs. What do you all think?
Colton Seale
Rigor of beauty is the quest. But how will you find beauty when it
is locked in the mind past all remonstrance?
William Carlos Williams
"Patterson"
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 30 18:00:29 MST 1994
Wed, 30 Nov 94 20:03:50 GMT-5
From: "Brian A. Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: University of Dayton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:03:16 EST
Subject: Re: vegans
>
> I have to admit that I wasn't quite as shocked by the hick Kiwi's
> letter, neither being vegan nor vegetarian myself, but I do have a
> question. Most of the responses alluded to cruelty to animals as
> your rational for using vegan products. I can see your point here
> clearly and do agree, but I wonder, seriously, would you all use
> eggs, etc. if you had your own chickens or whatever and let them
> range about and didn't cut off their beaks (or horns) and pump them
> full of steroids?
I've heard that hens don't mind their eggs being taken. If I saw
that for myself and also checked that they weren't being exploited or
abused in any other way then I would consider eating one of those
eggs. On the other hand, where I live in Ohio at least, free-ranging
chickens pick up large amounts of dioxin from their pecking (dioxin
attaches to dust and dirt particles) which then accumulates in their
eggs. So I would consider eating the egg, but I might decline to be
safe. Safer, I mean. This gets back to the question of whether
egg-replacer is really less natural than eating another species' eggs.
Maybe it shouldn't be called egg-"replacer."
I eat almost no meat products, primarily because
> of these reasons and reasons dealing with the economics of
> agriculture, but I would have no problem eating my own cows or my
> chickens eggs.
How do you eat cows without being cruel? Apart from waiting for them
to die a natural death, I mean?
Brian
