Hey I will tolerate anyone in my rank-since I consider myself an
individual rather than a group*grin* I am in a group by myself-unless
you'd like to join me;)
Any takers?
Bertina
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On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 3/14/1999 3:53:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << GOOD GOD! The more I learn about Islamic fundamentalists the more I thank
> GOD I am an ATHEIST!!*grin* I wonder how many Islamic fundamentalists would
> tolerate an atheist bisexual feminist in their ranks? >>
>
> What about christian fundamentalists, what about orthodox jews and a host of
> other cultural and religious beliefs among a wide variety of ethnicities which
> do not ally themselves to bisexuality or certain aspects of feminism?
>
> How many non-religious social/cultural organizations would be tolerant, much
> less welcoming of an atheist bisexual feminist?
>
> Potentially, are they not allowed to have their own beliefs? Just as you do?
>
> Would a group of atheist bisexual feminists tolerate a muslim woman, or an
> islamic fundamentalist male or female within their ranks? Or even a strongly
> christian woman?
>
> Should they have to, if their "ranks" are made up of people with their same
> values and beliefs, perspectives on life, natural and nutured identities
> comeing together for common goals and mutual sharing? Is it not their choice
> to do that, especially if not inflicting harm on others?
>
> Not every fundamentalist muslim acts out in, or supports, violence - at best
> they wouldn't want you around them. Because of your wonder about what they
> would tolerate in their ranks, that sounds like you are not exempt from being
> taunting and antagonistic towards them - so why should they not be the same
> towards you?
>
> Potentially, the attitudes and behaviors of atheist bisexual feminists can be
> negative towards others not like them, even towards each other.
>
> Even within the group their are people who are positive and negative - not all
> atheist bisexual feminists are perfectly kind and caring towards others, and
> certainly different perspectives can allow that "Islamic Fundamentalist" in
> itself is negative and culturally/personally damaging and others can say that
> to be "athiest bisexual feminists" (one, two or all three) is by definition
> negative, damaging, culturally backwards, repugnant, etc.
>
> I am sure there are Islamic Fundamentalists who say " GOOD GOD The more I
> learn about atheist bisexual feminists the more I thank God that I am an
> Islamic Fundamentalist."
>
> Actually a very strong strand in that group is revulsion to what they see as
> the moral decay, decadence, ego driven individualistic damage that they feel
> manifests in the various negatives in the western world. In fact, often
> fundamentalist use exactly such imager as "atheist bisexual feminist" to
> justify their positions as a protective, insulating measure against such
> mindsets/ways of life. They also earn a certain amount of ally with the more
> moderate and wholistic muslims who also share values against such things - and
> would prefer to lean more towards fundamentalism than towards atheist
> bisexuals feminists (feminist inspires less repulsion, except when people link
> it to the first two). In many islamic countries, islamic fundamentalism is
> directed at the spread of what they consider western cultural evils and
> negative damaging ideologies on their culture, religious beliefs, social
> structure.
>
> Perhaps they want to change and progress with their own societies but not in
> the ways that these other ideologies dictate they should. While they have
> mindsets and can progress to mindset that gives equality between husband and
> wife, they may reject the beliefs that heather should have two mommies? Isn't
> that there cultural right and something to be determined within their own
> society - while they should not slaugher the two mommies, is it okay that this
> is not a cultural value in their society? That is is not a value accepted in
> exactly the same ways as other countries, when it does exist?
>
> They send their children to schools that are more fundamentalist than they
> would like, because they feel it will insulate them against being exposed to
> what they consider to be a fate/metality worse than death. The idea that
> athetist bisexual feminists (and their male counterparts) do want to
> infilitrate and convert the ranks of others, is also a justification for their
> responses.
>
> In these ways Islamic Fundamentalism can be said to be in direct defense
> response to atheist bisexual feminsts and the perception that they seek to
> convert and subvert the life choices of others.
>
> I am not denouncing your right, or even reasoning, feelings, simply presenting
> another perspective on it.
>
>
> Nicole
>
