I think perhaps I missed Jake's original posting re: Take Back The Night.
But I would like to add or share that it has been my experience that Take
Back The Night is more about feeling safe as a womyn walking down the street
at night, or any time of the day for that matter, than it is about
solidarity within the feminist movement between men and womyn.  I'm sorry
that you've felt excluded Jake, but it is true that it is an entirely
different experience to walk down the street with a group of womyn than it
is to walk down the street with men and womyn.  I'm sure I'm not getting
exactly what I want to get accross here, but these are the basics.

raie


----- Original Message -----
From: Jake A Paisain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: men and women


> >
> > Jake,
> > thanks for your sharing.  The take back the night thing is painful to
me.
> > I am sorry that you had the experience of exclusion.  I need to think
more
> > about that.
>
> At the time, I was simply nauseated.  But you know what I did?  My friend
> Sandra was holding my hand saying "you're not leaving..." and the woman
> with the clipboard and the loudspeaker came over and (not in the
> loudspeaker) said "Sir, you'll have to get on the sidewalk [with all the
> other men]."  All I could do was to quip: "Well, they used to make black
> people go to the back of the bus too..."  a weird and paradoxical analogy
> but she pretty much left me alone after that.  There were some others
> saying it was just for women, but I ignored them.  Strangely enough, when
> I went to a Take Back the Night Gathering in Great Falls, Montana in the
> middle of a snowstorm (there were like 30 people there compared to 500 in
> Missoula), the organizer gave special thanks to all the men present and
> said how happy she was to see them there....
>
> jp
>
>
>
> >
> > Tasha,
> > I like what you said about doing what makes each person feel safe.  and
> > surviving.  That is what we have to do, what they most don't want us to
> > do.
> >
> > Until next time,
> > Heather
> > ===
> > The truth knocks on the door and you say,
> > "Go away, I'm looking for the truth,"
> > and so it goes away.  Puzzling.
> >                   -Robert Pirsig
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