Friends -- I am a raptor guy, not a herp guy, though I did inadvertently 
rescue a gopher snake once from a red-tailed hawk because the hawk saw me 
and dropped its uninjured prey and flew off while I took a moment to 
photograph and admire the snake.  And I have found many snake skeletons 
under hawk nest tree;: I believe that hawks pick the meat off the bones and 
often discard the entire skeleton with ribs often intact to the ground below 
the nests.  One other connection between me and herps is that I visit the 
East Bay Vivarium in Berkeley, CA occasionally to obtain feeder mice (they 
sell dark brown, natural looking "jumbos") for raptor trapping and I enjoy 
the incredible collection of all sorts of snakes, lizards, tortoises, etc. 
and at emporium of herpetological commerce.

And that brings me to an observation or two --  I believe it is correct for 
me to saw that possession of some native herps is legal, even in California. 
  Whereas it is illegal to possess (without special permits, such as 
falconry, rehab, banding, etc.) any native bird including raptors in 
California or other states.

When I hold a captive red-tailed hawk which I may have trapped for falconry 
or for banding, I always feel and sense the reptilian ancestry of those 
birds.  Scaly legs, reptilian head shape, talons like giant toenails, etc., 
really make me see that I am holding or interacting with a product of 
evolution that held reptiles as evolutionary ancestors of these big birds.   
Yet no one, including the government, cares if I hold a fence lizard without 
a permit, but if I were to capture a hawk without a permit, or on an expired 
permit without awareness that the permit had expired, I could be subject to 
prosecution.  In fact, the local game warden did attempt to prosecute me 
once for banding raptors on an expired scientific collecting permit, but the 
court threw out the case because the evidence showed (in my view) that I was 
unaware that the permits had expired after the same game warden had 
investigated me and (mistakenly) told me my papers were in good order.

In Australia, falconry is completely illegal.  An Australian teenage kid 
cannot obtain a native raptor and fly it at game.  In the U.S. there is a 
minimum age for beginning falconry, but once that age is reached, if you 
obtain a permit you can trap a wild kestrel or red-tailed hawk and start off 
a career as an apprentice falconer.

Why do we have the disconnect between possession of reptiles versus birds?  
Some of it is no doubt to the fact that in prior generations there was a 
feather trade in wild birds, and protection laws were written to take 
commercialism away as a threat to wild birds.

But, somehow I have to suspect that there is also a disconnect in the 
cultural attitudes towards reptiles versus birds.  People relate to birds, 
relate to the beauty of birds, and thus want to prevent other people from 
possessing or harrassing birds, including momentary possession such as 
capture for the sake of admiration.

Reptiles seem to be lesser regarded.  Sometimes they are feared, but many 
peopl, including young kids,  know the difference between threatening 
species and non-threatening ones.   When I was about ten years old and 
living with my familiy in the Houston, Texas suburb of Deer Park I caught a 
wild hog-nosed snake and made a pet of it.  I named him "Dennis" and I 
caught frogs to feed him and I kept Dennis till I got tired of him and 
eventually let him go back into the vacant field across the street from 
where I lived.  I knew which snakes were poisonous and which ones were not-- 
that is why when I saw our little six year old neighbor John David carrying 
a small snake which turned out to be a coral snake (red/yellow kills a 
fellow) I got him to quickly let the snake go and John David was not bitten 
by it despite it curling around in his fingers.

What would I think if I saw a television show from some other country where 
someone like me went around the world trapping raptors or invading their 
nests and mugging for the camera while displaying them for kids to enjoy and 
admire?  What if it were perfectly legal to do so?   If there was a talent 
search for someone to perform in such a show I might be the perfect 
candidate because I have a huge amount of experience in raptor trapping at 
all times of year, with many types of traps and many species that I suspect 
relatively few people in the world can match.  But I think I would have to 
turn it down, even if it stood to make me millions of dollars and made 
people think I was a heroic conservationist.   And I would not do it with 
snakes or reptiles either, though some people obviously still do and a visit 
to the television program guide proves it.

But I am just talking me and snakes and birds.  Other people will do what 
they will and justify it within the parameters of their own culture and 
belief systems.  It intrigues me though, that so many people are very 
protective of birds and not so much of their reptilian forebears.


Cheers!

Stan Moore    San Geronimo, CA       [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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