That "mammals were unknown in Australia" would be quite surprising to
Australians.

Marsupials and monotremes are mammals--albeit not placental ones. And
Australia has a robust population of native rodents and bats (and marine
mammals if we want to go that far).=20

And the arrival of the dingo in Australia approximately 5000 years ago
from Asia begs the question: when does an invader become native?

Jennifer Hobden


-----Original Message-----
From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Silvert
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: ECOSYSTEM Health Alien invasions persistence decline limits
control Re: semi-silly question from John Nielsen

I'll pick up on two of Wayne's points. One is that "some aliens that do=20
little harm" -- this is true, and some aliens are introduced
deliberately.=20
Mustangs are alien to N. America, and are widely appreciated. Many=20
ornamental plants are deliberately introduced. My mother was a member of
the=20
Florida Native Plants Society, and felt that they were fighting a losing

battle against the imports. An interesting downside is that often
introduced=20
plants in dry areas require lots of water and this creates problems.

As for the comment that healthy ecosystems resist invasion, this depends
on=20
whether they have had a chance to immunise themselves by past
experience.=20
Because mammals were unknown in Australia, their introduction was
impossible=20
to resist. The same is often true when snakes or mosquitos arrive in
regions=20
where nothing similar has every been present. Often the best defence
against=20
an invading species is a predator that can control it, but if such
predators=20
are not already present, it may take a few million years for them to
evolve.

Sometimes man has tried to counter one alien invasion by introducing
another=20
alien species to control it -- which brings into action the Law of=20
Unintended Consequences. It's a tricky game to play.

Bill Silvert


----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Wayne Tyson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:08 AM
Subject: ECOSYSTEM Health Alien invasions persistence decline limits
control=20
Re: semi-silly question from John Nielsen


> There are some aliens that do little harm; some even provide
> benefits.  This statement is anathema, heresy, fighting words, to
> many, many very caring people.  But so many of those caring people
> have their egos inextricably wrapped up in this very laudable
> mission--it is often their reason for living, often it is a filler of
> a hole in a person's life.  One can't argue with that.
>
> Here's the heart of my "rant."  Healthy ecosystems tend to resist
> invasion.  (However, the introduction of an alien species can, in
> some cases, but not all, truly invade healthy ecosystems.=20

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