You are twisting my words. I didn't say I wasn't taught, I said I wasn't there to be taught. And as for a book or an author teaching you, neither does. As inanimate objects they are there as a resource for a person to access and learn from. Learning is an active process done by the person acquiring the knowledge. Being taught is a passive acquisition of knowledge.
In all settings, there has to be a willingness to learn on the part of the student. However, I did not say i wasn't taught, I also did not say that I don't teach in my classes. You are making leaps from what I wrote. I was taught many things at all levels of educations; however, I did not come in with the attitude "teach me," nor should anyone entering college. You MUST take control of your own education and give it direction. If you do not, it will be a disappointment. Malcolm On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:37 PM, christy white <fatcatinalittlec...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Interesting, while many people do have your particular genre of learning > style not all do. Some people learn best from hearing some from actually > doing, and even some by teaching. While you may think that you were not > taught I have to dissagree. We are all taught by somebody, something, or > some experience. You just happen to be taught by a book. Learning style is > just a consequence of the human condition and preference in our society has > been based on written literature. I learn best by discussions as well as > mistakes, therefore, I learn best by being taught through dialog or through > experience. It seems to me that you did not really need to go to college to > learn; all you needed was a library. Oh and how did you learn to read? I > think the bigger issue here though is learning and teaching how to think > critically. > > >> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:23:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] EdD vs PhD >> From: malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org >> To: fatcatinalittlec...@hotmail.com >> CC: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu >> >> Interesting. When I went to college I went there to learn, not to be >> taught. In fact, I often ended up spending much to much time learning >> tangents to what the focus of the actual course was, because that was >> what interested me. It took me a while to realize that it isn't what >> you know, but how much of what was presented in class you know! I can >> recall taking computer-tested multiple choice tests that were crafted >> with the expectation that the student's knowledge was limited to that >> course. this was very hard for me, because I was there to learn, not >> be taught. I went to the library and took out books to read more on >> subjects that had been glanced over in class. Ultimately, my own >> performance was stifled because I read about the 42 billion exceptions >> to a generalized rule that only had use as "a teaching tool" for >> developing a basic understanding. In my case I would much rather take >> a college course from a professor who placed the burden of learning on >> me and was the world's expert on what they were teaching. Why? >> because I came to school to learn, not to be taught. I can always go >> to his/her office hours or make an appointment to get help. At least >> that was my view as a freshman and it continues to be my view now. >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:52 AM, christy white >> <fatcatinalittlec...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > Just as a note... The biggest problem in my education (B.S.) was not >> > the lack of knowledge in my professors but the lack of understanding in how >> > to convey their brilliance. The professors who understood how to pass on >> > their knowledge in an engaging and effective manor were the ones high on my >> > list for classes (if I had a choice). >> > >> > Christy >> > >> > A teacher who is attempting to teach without inspiring the pupil with a >> > desire to learn is hammering on a cold iron. - Horace Mann >> > 'It must be remembered that the purpose of education is not to fill the >> > minds of students with facts... it is to teach them to think, if that is >> > possible, and always to think for themselves.' -Robert Hutchins >> >> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:06:27 -0400 >> >> From: aroad...@vt.edu >> >> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] EdD vs PhD >> >> To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU >> >> >> >> Fellow Ecologers: >> >> >> >> I enjoy reading the debates that occur on this listserv and am content >> >> to keep my opinion to myself, however, in response to this most recent >> >> discussion (or should I say mudslinging) about the differences between >> >> a PhD and an EdD I feel compelled to express my concerns. I am not >> >> well versed in the qualities, pros, cons, frustrations, rewards, >> >> opportunities or detriments of these two degrees, but the >> >> condescending comments sent across the listserv with respect to the >> >> EdD are disheartening. They are two styles of degree with different >> >> methods and possibly different results. In certain cases, the earning >> >> of a PhD may open more doors for a person towards their specific >> >> goals, while in others the EdD may be more appropriate. >> >> >> >> My concern here is not which degree is more fitting for any specific >> >> individual, my concern is the bigoted opinions expressed. As >> >> scientists shouldn't we keep open minds about the world we live and >> >> work in? Isn't any form of higher education better than none? While >> >> in certain opinions a PhD is superior to an EdD, that shouldn't mean >> >> that an EdD is a waste of time and energy, it's just not your choice. >> >> To badmouth a practice available for furthering knowledge and >> >> understanding of any field is something that I see as impolite and >> >> intolerant. Any discussion had, journal article read, class taken or >> >> degree earned is a way that an individual has expanded their >> >> experiences and broadened their views and I cannot believe that any of >> >> it would be a waste of time or should be viewed as unworthy of the >> >> attentions of colleagues and peers. Education is what moves society >> >> forward. >> >> >> >> Please forgive me if I have spoken out of turn or offended. >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> >> Adrian Roadman >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Tupper, Mark (WorldFish) >> >> <m.tup...@cgiar.org> wrote: >> >> > I'd beg to differ with that. If you want "opportunities" and >> >> > "placement" >> >> > in aquatic biology and fisheries (i.e. a real job after university), >> >> > get >> >> > a Ph.D. >> >> > >> >> > Get an Ed.D. if you want to be a bartender or make money in real >> >> > estate. >> >> > >> >> > Mark Tupper >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news >> >> > [mailto:ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson >> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:07 AM >> >> > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU >> >> > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] EdD vs PhD >> >> > >> >> > EdD is a BS degree in makeup, and is for those who want >> >> > "opportunities" >> >> > and >> >> > "placement." PhD is for the passionate. >> >> > >> >> > WT >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Jay Beugly" <jsbeu...@bsu.edu> >> >> > To: <ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:18 AM >> >> > Subject: [ECOLOG-L] EdD vs PhD >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> My name is Jayson Beugly. I am currently pursuing an EdD in science >> >> >> (aquatic >> >> >> biology and fisheries)and an opportunity to switch to a PhD has come >> >> > up. I >> >> >> am searching for advice on the pros and cons of the PhD vs EdD. >> >> >> There >> >> >> seems >> >> >> to be a bit of confusion regarding place and opportunities available >> >> > for >> >> >> recipients of these respective degrees. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank You >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > -------- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: >> >> > 03/11/09 >> >> > 08:28:00 >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Malcolm L. 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