Well, as a matter of fact, a brief search turned up a May 2009 special issue
of the *American Journal of Clinical Nutrition* that is relevant to our
discussion.  They may not consider all the potential implications, but at
least we have something scientific to go on.
I have pasted several relevant abstracts below.

Here's what I read from a couple abstracts that address the consumption
issue (I haven't read the full studies yet):

A vegetarian diet has a much lower use of water, energy, fertilizer, and
pesticides.  Except for pesticides, these items are 2-13 times higher for a
non-vegetarian diet.  Something similar is apparent when one examines
greenhouse gas emissions (lifecycle).  Cows are the highest contributor to
these differences, with chickens less of a contributor.  They do note that
effects of legume production on gas emissions can be high too, but not as
high as the cow based proteins.

There was also a lot of information on health (the other 25 papers in the
special issue).

I haven't looked through these thoroughly. I did notice one that mentioned
positive health effects of a vegetarian diet on heart disease, hypertension,
diabetes, obesity, and perhaps cancer, although different types of cancers
may not respond similarly and so a vegetarian diet may not lower the risk of
all types of cancers.  The authors noted an overall increase in life
expectancy of vegetarians.  Other studies indicate that in certain
situations these health effects don't always hold up.

Another study remarked that those people on vegan diets may be at risk for
deficiencies of B-12, D, Calcium, and omega-3 fatty acids unless they take
supplements or eat carefully.  Iron and zinc may sometimes be a concern.
Notice they did not mention a lack of certain amino acids, as has been
suggested on this discussion board.

There is some debate about how important it is for vegetarians to drink
milk.  Some say it is good, some say it not necessary and may even have
certain detrimental effects.  One study stated that early results suggest
that soy infant formula has no negative health effects on humans up to the
age of 5 (don't have data beyond that yet).

Anyway, please feel free to go check it out yourselves.

I hope we get more studies like this.  Perhaps some ecologists might take an
interest?  Some among us are quite good at energy, water, and nutrient
budgets.  We shouldn't let the nutritionists have all the fun.

Kevin

Here are a few selected abstracts:

Marlow, H. J., W. K. Hayes, et al. (2009). "Diet and the environment: does
what you eat matter?" American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 89(5):
S1699-S1703.
Food demand influences agricultural production. Modern agricultural
practices have resulted in polluted soil, air, and water; eroded soil;
dependence on imported oil; and loss of biodiversity. The goal of this
research was to compare the environmental effect of a vegetarian and
nonvegetarian diet in California in terms of agricultural production inputs,
including pesticides and fertilizers, water, and energy used to produce
commodities. The working assumption was that a greater number and amount of
inputs were associated with a greater environmental effect. The literature
supported this notion. To accomplish this goal, dietary preferences were
quantified with the Adventist Health Study, and California state
agricultural data were collected and applied to state commodity production
statistics. These data were used to calculate different dietary consumption
patterns and indexes to compare the environmental effect associated with
dietary preference. Results show that, for the combined differential
production of 11 food items for which consumption differs among vegetarians
and nonvegetarians, the nonvegetarian diet required 2.9 times more water,
2.5 times more primary energy, 13 times more fertilizer, and 1.4 times more
pesticides than did the vegetarian diet. The greatest contribution to the
differences came from the consumption of beef in the diet. We found that a
nonvegetarian diet exacts a higher cost on the environment relative to a
vegetarian diet. From an environmental perspective, what a person chooses to
eat makes a difference. Am J Clin Nutr 2009; 89(suppl): 1699S-703S.

Carlsson-Kanyama, A. and A. D. Gonzalez (2009). "Potential contributions of
food consumption patterns to climate change." American Journal of Clinical
Nutrition 89(5): S1704-S1709.
Anthropogenic warming is caused mainly by emissions of greenhouse gases
(GHGs), such as carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, with agriculture
as a main contributor for the latter 2 gases. Other parts of the food system
contribute carbon dioxide emissions that emanate from the use of fossil
fuels in transportation, processing, retailing, storage, and preparation.
Food items differ substantially when GHG emissions are calculated from farm
to table. A recent study of approximate to 20 items sold in Sweden showed a
span of 0.4 to 30 kg CO2 equivalents/kg edible product. For protein-rich
food, such as legumes, meat, fish, cheese, and eggs, the difference is a
factor of 30 with the lowest emissions per kilogram for legumes, poultry,
and eggs and the highest for beef, cheese, and pork. Large emissions for
ruminants are explained mainly by methane emissions from enteric
fermentation. For vegetables and fruits, emissions usually are <= 2.5 kg CO2
equivalents/kg product, even if there is a high degree of processing and
substantial transportation. Products transported by plane are an exception
because emissions may be as large as for certain meats. Emissions from foods
rich in carbohydrates, such as potatoes, pasta, and wheat, are <1.1 kg/kg
edible food. We suggest that changes in the diet toward more plant-based
foods, toward meat from animals with little enteric fermentation, and toward
foods processed in an energy-efficient manner offer an interesting and
little explored area for mitigating climate change. Am J Clin Nutr 2009;
89(suppl): 1704S-9S.

Fraser, G. E. (2009). "Vegetarian diets: what do we know of their effects on
common chronic diseases?" American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 89(5):
S1607-S1612.
A number of studies have evaluated the health of vegetarians. Others have
studied the health effects of foods that are preferred or avoided by
vegetarians. The purpose of this review is to look critically at the
evidence on the health effects of vegetarian diets and to seek possible
explanations where results appear to conflict. There is convincing evidence
that vegetarians have lower rates of coronary heart disease, largely
explained by low LDL cholesterol, probable lower rates of hypertension and
diabetes mellitus, and lower prevalence of obesity. Overall, their cancer
rates appear to be moderately lower than others living in the same
communities, and life expectancy appears to be greater. However, results for
specific cancers are much less convincing and require more study. There is
evidence that risk of colorectal cancer is lower in vegetarians and in those
who eat less meat; however, results from British vegetarians presently
disagree, and this needs explanation. It is probable that using the label
"vegetarian" as a dietary category is too broad and that our understanding
will be served well by dividing vegetarians into more descriptive sub-types.
Although vegetarian diets are healthful and are associated with lower risk
of several chronic diseases, different types of vegetarians may not
experience the same effects on health. Am J Clin Nutr 2009; 89(suppl):
1607S-12S.

Craig, W. J. (2009). "Health effects of vegan diets." American Journal of
Clinical Nutrition 89(5): S1627-S1633.
Recently, vegetarian diets have experienced an increase in popularity. A
vegetarian diet is associated with many health benefits because of its
higher content of fiber, folic acid, vitamins C and E, potassium, magnesium,
and many phytochemicals and a fat content that is more unsaturated. Compared
with other vegetarian diets, vegan diets tend to contain less saturated fat
and cholesterol and more dietary fiber. Vegans tend to be thinner, have
lower serum cholesterol, and lower blood pressure, reducing their risk of
heart disease. However, eliminating all animal products from the diet
increases the risk of certain nutritional deficiencies. Micronutrients of
special concern for the vegan include vitamins B-12 and D, calcium, and
long-chain n-3 (omega-3) fatty acids. Unless vegans regularly consume foods
that are fortified with these nutrients, appropriate supplements should be
consumed. In some cases, iron and zinc status of vegans may also be of
concern because of the limited bioavailability of these minerals. Am J Clin
Nutr 2009; 89(suppl): 1627S-33S.

Eshel, G. and P. A. Martin (2009). "Geophysics and nutritional science:
toward a novel, unified paradigm." American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
89(5): S1710-S1716.
This article discusses a few basic geophysical processes, which collectively
indicate that several nutritionally adverse elements of current Western
diets also yield environmentally harmful food consumption patterns. We
address oceanic dead zones, which are at the confluence of oceanography,
aquatic chemistry, and agronomy and which are a clear environmental problem,
and agriculture's effects on the surface heat budget. These exemplify the
unknown, complex, and sometimes unexpected large-scale environmental effects
of agriculture. We delineate the significant alignment in purpose between
nutritional and environmental sciences. We identify red meat, and to a
lesser extent the broader animal-based portion of the diet, as having the
greatest environmental effect, with clear nutritional parallels. Am J Clin
Nutr 2009; 89(suppl): 1710S-6S.


On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, malcolm McCallum <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Wayne,
> You nailed it.  I doubt if anyone has, but, I suspect that there would
> just be different environmental problems not a reduction.  It is
> inevitable that every action has a reaction.
>
> (also, the previous post was not a response to your email, I just
> posted on your thread!)
>
> M
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Wayne Tyson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Ecolog:
> >
> > What would the actual effect on species diversity of universal
> > vegetarianism? Has anyone done the math?
> >
> > WT
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James J. Roper" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are ecologists the problem?
> >
> >
> >> A well-known statistic is that there are as many domestic animals bred
> >> for food for people as there are people in the world, or more.  If we
> >> consider a 10% conversion of food to mass of the consumer, the logic is
> >> undeniable that if all ate lower on the food chain, we could use less
> >> land to do it with.  Also, we could do it with less energy.  Another
> >> detail is that more land is used to grow food for those animals than to
> >> grow food for people. Just switching the land to grow food for people
> >> instead of animals would mean that we could do this on much less land.
> >> Habitat loss is one of the driving forces of extinctions world wide.
> >> But also, pollution from high efficiency animal production is another
> >> huge issue (pigs and chickens). Not to mention land degradation due to
> >> grazing.
> >>
> >> Also well known - vegetarian diets can provide all the nutrients that
> >> normal people need.
> >>
> >> QED - a vegetarian diet would be better for the planet (and we would
> >> have much smaller problems with obesity!).
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> malcolm McCallum wrote on 09-Sep-09 0:50:
> >>>
> >>> I tend to believe that any absolute answer that is declared an end all
> >>> answer
> >>> is probably not the answer.  For example, I'm not convinced that
> everyone
> >>> jumping into a vegetarian diet is going to suddenly or even slowly
> >>> save the world.
> >>> Especially, considering that some of these stats are based on
> unrealistic
> >>> estimates.
> >>>
> >>> For example, suggesting that x acres of corn would feed x number of
> cows
> >>> and
> >>> that would feed x number of people whereas the x acres of corn would
> feed
> >>> way
> >>> more people is flawed.  Humans cannot survive on a corn diet.  Even if
> >>> we expanded
> >>> this to grains and soybeans, humans cannot survive on a corn-soybean
> >>> diet.
> >>> Why?  because vegetables in general are low in two or three essential
> >>> amino acids
> >>> that humans must get in their diet.  those amino acids are produced by
> >>> animals
> >>> and so you must ultimately get them from animals or artificially
> >>> produced products.
> >>>
> >
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