Jim,

I hope my (perhaps) subtle tongue in cheek comments about invasives has not confused the issue. I completely agree that human caused introductions are to be avoided at all costs, and active eradication of exotics should be undertaken as a default position until a well-developed argument suggests otherwise.

As Elton documented long ago, invasives are problems, both ecologically and financially. States and countries spends billions of dollars each year trying to control many exotics. While I think that we can find examples for both, innocuous exotics and maladapted natives, those examples do not support any position taken on exotics.

I would also venture to state that even if statistical tests could not identify an exotic, that does NOT mean the exotic is inconsequential. I think in this case, we should assume guilty until proven innocent. After all, nature took millions of years to come up with what we have today, while we can screw that up in less than a decade. We do not have the information required to decide whether an exotic "matters" in some philosophical moral sense. We should assume that it is a problem, however, as the best default position - avoid introductions at all costs, eradicate when possible. If we use a moral position, that position can be argued endlessly. If we use a pragmatic position - introductions are uncontrolled experiments and uncontrolled experiments should always be avoided because we cannot know how to predict the outcome (and much less control it) - then until someone can really show how great uncontolled experiments are, no argument will be effective against it.

Sincerely,

Jim

James Crants wrote on 12-May-10 13:02:
Jim and others,
Your last sentence converges on the point I was trying to make: if you compared native species, as a group, against exotic species, as a group, you would find statistically significant ecological differences (ie, trends), even though you would also find numerous exceptions to those trends. A statistically significant trend is not negated by the existence of outliers, any more than the tendency for men to be taller than women is negated by the fact that many women are taller than many men.

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