Julian, I agree that filtering is a great way to make life better, but in this case I think you're shutting down a worthwhile conversation. Calling out bad behavior is how groups enforce norms, and I sure hope Ecolog has a norm against casual exclusionary remarks.
Chandreyee, thanks for speaking up. I'm not female and I don't know if 30 counts as young around here, but Clara's remarks made me uncomfortable as well. That's not what I came for and if we're supposed to ignore it, whether technologically or by gritting our teeth, then there is no norm against it and we've created an exclusionary environment. --Chris On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Julian Olden <ol...@uw.edu> wrote: > Hi Chandreyee, > > Here's a suggestion if you want to filter out certain threads or > individuals from ECOLOG-L. > > Use the filter function on your e-mail program to re-route those threads > or messages from particular individuals automatically to the trash folder. > Next, never open your trash folder. Problem solved! This way you get the > perks of ECOLOG (i.e., what it was designed for) without the headache. > > Cheers, > Julian > > > --- > Julian D. Olden > Freshwater Ecology & Conservation Lab > School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences > University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 > e: ol...@uw.edu, t: (206) 616-3112 <tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> > w: http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ > skype: goldenolden > > "The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown > aside, for it had a new story to tell every day." ‹ Mark Twain > > > > > > > > On 2/17/13 3:00 PM, "Chandreyee Mitra" <chandreyee.mi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Are we just allowed to casually insult half the populace in a post here? >> In >> Clara's 7th, very well punctuated point, she wrote: >> >> "7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, >> especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that others >> don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is mostly >> generalist-oriented..." >> >> If this is so, I am curious as to what other groups are open to ridicule? >> Young - check. Female - check. >> >> cheers >> Chandreyee >> (a young(ish) female) >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:03 PM, malcolm McCallum < >> malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org> wrote: >> >>> Clara, I agree. >>> >>> To be marketable in the workplace you must have skills that are in >>> demand in the workplace. Its that simple. Too many students graduate >>> without marketable skills. >>> Marketability for grad school does not equal marketability for a job >>> out of the BS. >>> You want to get a job in ecological field? >>> Here are the skills I recommend: >>> 1. GIS >>> 2. statistics >>> 3. public administration >>> 4. env/wildlife/fisheries policy & law >>> 5. Any and all instrumentation involving chemistry, molecular biology >>> and >>> micro. >>> >>> Why? >>> Everything uses GIS today. >>> Statistics are just plain required. >>> If you are working in the public sector, PA will prepare you for what >>> you actually do most of the time...paperwork. >>> policy and law is mostly what you will be doing paperwork on (permits >>> and permitting issues!) >>> instrumentation may pick you up a research tech post. >>> >>> Also, if you go into the private sector, every one of those areas is >>> highly marketable. >>> If you have none of them, you are going to have a rougher time. >>> Again, this is coming out of a BS. >>> >>> Ideally, you better have Wildlife + Wildlife Techniques if going into >>> a wildlife field or Fisheries + fisheries techniques if going into a >>> fish field. You might check the respective certification programs. >>> Anything ecotox will help too. >>> >>> Malcolm >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Clara B. Jones <foucaul...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> 1. ...assuming that your summary is an accurate reflection of the >>> *CB*article... >>>> 2. ...i am shocked that there is no mention of actual skills...most of >>> the >>>> traits you mention might be categorized as "intangible"...you need >>> these >>>> skills to be a car salesman...not to impugn car sales-persons... >>>> 3. ...IMO, an applicant has a better edge if s/he brings something >>>> transferrable [marketable!] to the table that no-one else brings to >>> the >>>> table... >>>> 4. ...often this "something" is one or more quantitative skill... >>>> 5. ...or, skill in a fundamental or "hot" area of research w long-term >>>> potential... >>>> 6. ...or, a grant... >>>> 7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many >>> young, >>>> especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that >>> others >>>> don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is >>> mostly >>>> generalist-oriented... >>>> 8. ...early-career applicants need to bring something "with >>> legs"...as my >>>> Grandmother Jackson used to say...in other words, bring something to >>> the >>>> table that can go somewhere [that the department and the >>> college/university >>>> and the field want to go]... >>>> 9. ...clara b. jones >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Helen Bothwell >>> <helen.bothw...@nau.edu >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In a recent publication in Conservation Biology, Blickley et al. >>> (2012) >>>>> analayzed what skills are necessary for graduate students to be >>>>> competitive in >>>>> the job market. We discuss these in the Early Career Ecologists blog >>> and >>>>> hope >>>>> that many of you will find this useful: >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> http://earlycareerecologists.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/a-graduate-students >>> - >>>>> guide-to-necessary-skills-for-landing-a-job/< >>> >>> http://earlycareerecologists.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/a-graduate-students >>> -guide-to-necessary-skills-for-landing-a-job/ >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Clara B. Jones >>>> Director >>>> Mammals and Phenogroups (MaPs) >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/cbjones1943 >>>> Cell: -828-279-4429 >>>> Blog Profile: http://www.blogger.com/profile/09089578792549394529 >>>> Brief CV: >>>> >>> >>> http://vertebratesocialbehavior.blogspot.com/2012/10/clara-b-jones-brief- >>> cv.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Where no estimate of error of any kind can be made, generalizations >>> about >>>> populations from sample data are worthless." Ferguson, 1959 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Malcolm L. 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