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On 5/27/15, 6:56 PM, "Aaron T. Dossey" <[email protected]> wrote:

>1) I wouldn't go to grad school for science these days. Universities and
>faculty are far too exploitative and the career opportunities requiring
>a graduate degree are far too few (especially in academia and
>government).  Best to get out there and get a job and experience with
>those years, or even start your own organization or company.
>You may be interested in the articles and "Notes" posted on this page:
>https://www.facebook.com/pages/National-Postdoc-Union/275402225908673
>
>2) It is the responsibility (one of an ever waning list) of the faculty
>boss (referred to some as "mentor" or "adviser") to provide projects
>(well funded ones) for their students, then spend time TEACHING them the
>projects, techniques and science behind the projects.   I would be
>suspicious of any lab that requires you to come up with your own
>project, especially if they require you to come with your own funding.
>
>3) If you do have project ideas, best to pursue them on your own time
>and well separate from the lab and/or involvement of any university
>faculty member.  Basically if you know what you want to do and more or
>less how to do it, you don't need grad school:  you need
>resources/facilities to pursue it.  So, find (sit down for this)
>COLLABORATORS (not bosses) and some sort of funding or access to lab and
>equipment you need.  You can even try crowdfunding, or like I said,
>start a company or non-profit.
>
>4) If you DO dive into graduate school for some reason:  selecting a
>decent ethical faculty boss who actually cares about YOUR career (very
>rare) will be your most critical decision/task.  the following are
>criteria and methods you should use: a) talk to as many people IN the
>lab and especially FORMER lab members as possible, b) ask the faculty
>boss how joining their lab will help your career, what you will BE
>TAUGHT, what projects are available and what FUNDING is driving those
>projects (and listen closely to the answers), c) ask if you would be
>allowed to pursue independent side projects without the faculty boss'
>involvement (ie: do a side project that's your idea with other students
>or other labs in your own side collaboration - this is critical to build
>toward an independent career in science, which is the main reason to go
>to grad school in science at all).  This means publishing at least one
>paper without that faculty member and possibly even applying for a grant
>or two (toward the end of your term in the lab) without their name on
>it.  If they say no, immediately find another lab.  While many will tell
>you no one will do this and this is unusual and you shouldn't expect
>this freedom, that is nothing short of a lie.  If you accept that lie,
>you will find out the hard way when you try to pursue your real career
>after grad school.  d) Be SURE the lab or department will pay you a FULL
>stipend you can live on AND health insurance for at least 5 years while
>you complete your degree. e) be sure that no one in the labs you are
>considering has taken more than 5 years to finish their Ph.D. or 3 years
>for Masters.  f) if you determine that a graduate degree is ABSOLUTELY
>REQUIRED for your career goals (think about this carefully) then do a
>Ph.D. rather than a masters.  g) I do not recommend young professors
>without tenure, or working for older or higher ranking professors that
>also have adminstrative appointments on top of their professor job
>(things like also being the "director of the center for X" etc. I
>consider moonlighting and almost a guarantee that you'll never see them,
>which means you'll never learn anything or be taught anything by them
>which is the entire point of grad school). h) Also have a frank
>discussion about how authorship is handled in the lab AND if you are
>expected to write grants (don't do it if you won't be listed as a
>co-PI), and even about how patents will be handled... and get those
>things IN WRITING!
>
>5) Do not be placated, pacified, bribed, distracted or fooled by
>anything else.  a LITTLE higher salary, a boss that smiles a lot,
>showering you with compliments, students (especially early grad students
>or undergrads) who say things like "they are SO nice to me, they let me
>go to conferences" (something they should all offer by default, at least
>1 conference per year for you to present at).. etc...  can distract from
>the more important issue: how going to grad school will benefit your
>career and get you quickly into an independent science career within 2-3
>years after graduating (max).
>
>Those are some good solid things that should take you a long way toward
>your next set of decisions which will be critical for your career
>success (or lack of it) for some years to come.  What you decide to do
>at this stage of your career will have long lasting consequences.
>
>Let me know if you have further questions!
>ATD of ATB
>
>
>On 5/27/2015 2:21 PM, Emily Mydlowski wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm delving into the graduate school search (MS and PhD programs) quite
>> heavily and am seeking advice regarding approaching faculty with a
>>research
>> project. The system I'm interested in working on is that which has many
>> unanswered, interesting questions I would love to pursue. From a faculty
>> perspective, is proposing a project topic (too) bold of a move to a
>> potential advisor?
>>
>> Any advice would be much appreciated.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Emily Mydlowski
>> Northern Michigan University
>
>
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