Travis Still, sending the information to the carrier before shipment is the best way to do that. You can't put certain products in a trailer with other products, and the carrier needs to know the product before they arrive. In your example, the carrier needs to know if it is temperature sensitive before they arrive at the dock in order to bring the correct equipment.
Yes, I agree information is power. Question, trying to bring this back to EDI. Does the consignee (Wal-Mart, Target, etc....) still expect to receive an 856 (or XML equivalent to avoid that argument), or will they read the rfid tags instead? My guess, keep sending that 856. And just like the ultimate receiver of the goods needs the information before receipt, so does the carrier. Were the presenters vendors or ??????? Doug > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Truax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 4:21 PM > To: 'Doug Anderson'; EDI-L Listserv > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] I didn't know this. Or why Proofreaders > are needed. > Or They've been lying to us.... > > > One example would be anything the trucking company or truck > driver might > want to know about what is on their truck, such as- > Product is explosive. > Product is perishable. > Temperature sensitive products. > Other controlled substances. > > Sure, I know they know when their transporting a full truck > of TNT, but an > automated way of being notified that item X (which their is > one carton of on > the pallet you're loading) will not survive temps. >95 and is > insured for > $20,000 might be nice too. > > I'm sure their are several reasons. Information is power. > > The presenters described not knowing what happens from souce > to destination > being the blind spot. By the way, I'm asking about this- not telling > everyone how it is. I'm curious. :) > > Travis- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:54 PM > To: 'Travis Truax'; Doug Anderson; EDI-L Listserv > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] I didn't know this. Or why Proofreaders > are needed. > Or They've been lying to us.... > > > Travis > > Not to prolong the discussion.. but.... > > What do they expect Transportation to do with the rfid tags placed on > product? What additional information will be provided by > scanning the tags? > > Good example. Major consumer products manufacturer shipping > freight to one > of the chains. Shipper loads the trailer with pallet loads > of product. > Carrier moves trailer from shipper to consignee. Carrier > drops trailer in > lot. Consignee unloads. Carrier will never even open the trailer. > > Shippers already put a unique bar code label on small package > shipments. > Carrier scans at shipper location, origin terminal (unload of > inbound truck > (trailer), load of outbound trailer), any intermediate terminals, > destination terminal (unload and load), and final delivery. LTL does > something similar with a pro label with bar code. > > Why is it a blind spot? The carrier can already provide > shipment status > information. But if the shipper does not provide the > manifest/BOL data > electronically, the carrier can't return the package level detail > electronically. > > Doug > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Travis Truax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:34 PM > > To: 'Doug Anderson'; EDI-L Listserv > > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] I didn't know this. Or why Proofreaders > > are needed. > > Or They've been lying to us.... > > > > > > So in short, the transportation industry uses RFID in many > > ways, just not > > the same way the consumer products group and EPCglobal use > > it, and that's > > why they consider it a "blind-spot"? > > > > Travis- > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:26 PM > > To: EDI-L Listserv > > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] I didn't know this. Or why Proofreaders > > are needed. > > Or They've been lying to us.... > > > > > > Travis > > > > RFID is currently used for Automatic equipment > > identification, automated > > border crossing, automated toll payment, yard/equipment management, > > equipment tracking, exchanging vehicle information between > > the equipment and > > a fixed site for weigh station by-pass or vehicle engine (and other > > mechanical/electrical equipment) monitoring, tire management > > and the list > > goes on....... > > > > All of those applications have a good ROI for the industry, > > depending on the > > type of operations (LTL, TL, small package, etc). > > > > As for tying in freight information, that is already done > > today. When the > > shipper sends the carrier a 204, 211 or 215 with the shipment > > information > > (or XML, flat file, proprietary file), the carrier can send > > back 214's to > > indicate where the shipment is. TL carriers using satellite > > systems can > > provide in-transit information, LTL and small package > carriers provide > > information as the freight passes a scanning location. RFID > > will not change > > that. The ROI is in sending the carrier information > > electronically, vs. the > > paper bill of lading that they get today. Just look at the > > information you > > can get today from your friendly small package carriers like > > FedEx and UPS > > when you ship a package. Will RFID change that? > > > > It will be difficult for transportation to get an ROI on RFID tagged > > shipments until a majority of shippers use the technology. > > Standards need > > to be set across industry, not just retail vs. automotive > vs. computer > > industry, etc.... One LTL carrier has over 100,000 shippers, > > and the small > > package carriers deliver to every address in the US. > > Industry standards > > will add cost to the supply chain....... > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Travis Truax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:00 PM > > > To: EDI-L Listserv; 'Doug Anderson' > > > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] I didn't know this. Or why Proofreaders > > > are needed. > > > Or They've been lying to us.... > > > > > > > > > I'm actually suprised to hear this. I was just at a > > > Retail-Link User Group > > > last week that was focused on RFID, and the presenters there > > > mentioned the > > > trucking side was a blind spot as far as RFID visibility is > > > concerned. Also, > > > EPCglobal seems to show the same thing on their diagrams - > > > trucking might as > > > well be a "cloud". In what capacity has the transportation > > > industry been > > > using it? > > > > > > Travis- > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Doug Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:45 PM > > > To: EDI-L Listserv > > > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] I didn't know this. Or why Proofreaders > > > are needed. > > > Or They've been lying to us.... > > > > > > > > > The motor carrier industry has been using RFID and Satellite > > > tracking/communications for at least 10 years. In addition > > > they use cell > > > for communication and scheduling. So has the rail > > industry. Both the > > > American Trucking Associations and the Association of > > > American Railroads > > > were involved in an ISO Technical Committee (don't recall the > > > number now, it > > > has been over 10 years since I was involved) that set the > early rfid > > > standards for transportation. > > > > > > One of ideas floated quite a while ago was that every item > > > and packaging > > > unit would have an rfid tag, so when you put the item(s) in a > > > box, the box > > > on the pallet, the pallet in the truck, the truck could > > > communicate via > > > satellite the location of the product in the supply chain > > > (our Military does > > > this to a limited extent today). So, rfid tag information > > > via satellite is > > > already being done. Some of the companies involved > include Savi and > > > Qualcomm. > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > Doug Anderson > > > Asst. VP Sales Support > > > Kleinschmidt Inc. > > > 450 Lake Cook Road > > > Deerfield, IL 60015 > > > 847.405.7457 (office direct) > > > 847.826.3531 (cell) > > > 847.945.4619 (fax) > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > www.kleinschmidt.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ilia Chlaifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:38 AM > > > > To: Joyce, Brad; Dan Mehlhorn; EDI-L Listserv > > > > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] I didn't know this. Or why Proofreaders > > > > are needed. > > > > Or They've been lying to us.... > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is pallets, but when it comes to actual containers > > > > or trucks I > > > > think an appropriate transmitting device can be arranged. > > Don't you > > > > think? > > > > > > > > At least to transmit the signal to the nearest tower, > which would > > > > communicate it back to a satellite. > > > > > > > > Ilia. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > Joyce, Brad > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:02 PM > > > > To: Dan Mehlhorn; EDI-L Listserv > > > > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] I didn't know this. Or why Proofreaders > > > > are needed. > > > > Or They've been lying to us.... > > > > > > > > That must be one heck of an RFID tag to uplink to a > > satellite 22,300 > > > > miles > > > > above the earth. > > > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > > > > Dan Mehlhorn > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:36 AM > > > > To: EDI-L Listserv > > > > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] I didn't know this. Or why Proofreaders > > > > are needed. > > > > Or They've been lying to us.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh, what do you think we use satellites for now? Broadcast > > > radio uses > > > > them > > > > to enlarge the footprint of the broadcaster. TV and > > > > Telephone use them > > > > as > > > > repeaters, also. Also, anyone hear of SPY SATELLITES??? > > > > > > > > Dan Mehlhorn > > > > Probably will be transported to the nearest Homeland Security > > > > Interrogation > > > > office for spilling the frijoles. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mike Rawlins > > > > > > > > At least Travis caught on to William's joke. Please re-read > > > > this in the > > > > context of needing a proofreader: > > > > > > > > "Wal-Mart is already requiring all pallets delivered to its > > > > headquarters > > > > in > > > > Bentonville, Ark., to be fitted with radio frequency > > identification > > > > tags, > > > > SO THAT THEY CAN BE TRACKED BY A SATELLITE." > > > > > > > > Good one, William! > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > P.S. If we have to explain it to you, then you probably need > > > > to go back > > > > and > > > > take RFID 101 again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your > > subject prefix: > > > > <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> > > > > Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your > > subject prefix: > > > > <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> > > > > Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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