> The problem of "WEB EDI" is when you have a mature EDI program and want to
> do "real" EDI, but a customer *requires* [emphasis mine MCM ]  you to do 
> WEB EDI as a first step....

That one I haven't seen (care to share a name? off-list OK ) before... but 
that is simply terrible "vendor relations."

I have a recent story where the vendor relations impact was at least as 
bad... and perhaps more insidiously so....

A "major well-known retailing firm" revised their internal EDI processing 
(for some good and valid reasons which they did offer to their vendors). 
This revision required all vendors - including those with 'mature' 
relationships - to pay one of two well-known compliance testing firms a fee 
for 're-certification.'

While I found the entire policy of "vendor pays for our 'by choice' changes" 
dubious, what I found uniquely terrible were the terms and conditions 
imposed by one of the two compliance testing firms engaged by the retailer. 
That firm allowed only two documents be submitted within a given number of 
days... and if you had not passed it was 'two strikes and you're out!' and 
you had to purchase an additional 'certification test run' good for eactly 
one  (count 'em, one) document run.  (The other compliance testing firm was 
a lot fairer... you got 'n' days, as many document runs as you needed to 
pass the test).

Even though I was only serving as an outside consultant to the vendor and 
did not have to absorb any of these fees myself, and my client was assigned 
to the 'good terms' compliance testing firm, I took the time to write a 
letter to the retailer to let them know that for as long as I had  been in 
the EDI business (20+ years) I had never encountered such unfair and 
confiscatory compliance testing terms before and suggested that they do a 
thorough review of "compliance testing firm one" before engaging them again. 
( I'm pretty sure this got me on Compliance Testing Firm One's  '<vulgar 
euphemism for waste product> list'  but  - hopefully - all of Major 
Retailer's vendors should benefit down the road.)

I hope any and all "buyer" firms  who want to insist their vendors use EDI 
remember the word 'partner'  implies some consideration for the vendor's 
burden.. if engaging an outside compliance testing firm, you put yourself in 
your vendor's shoes before selecting such firms... and by the way, not all 
your vendors are new to EDI and can skip the 'walk using the web before 
running' step, too.


Michael C. Mattias
Tal Systems Inc.
Racine WI
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