This is exactly right, Travis.  Having that additional data can be 
helpful and maybe you'll change WM systems or AP systems or 
something that has a space for that data at a future date.

And again, the few extra KCs are nothing -  usually pennies....  
We've never even hit our KC limit, let alone come within about 5000 
KC of it.  And I think our "overage" is like 3 cents per KC....

When I translate the data into our user files, I just do not 
translate the additional information that the vendor sends; I do not 
populate our system with the extra stuff... 

And also, the Mandatory and Optional segment/element values come 
into play here....

Our spec includes a LOT of information.... and maybe half 
is "mandatory".... but it is appreciated sometimes to have 
that "optional" information around if needed.  We may use it.

Also, the more vendor specific maps you have around - i.e. using My 
Coleman example way up there ^^^ - if Coleman had to have specific 
ASN maps for each vendor, there would probably be quite a few that 
can work off of the same "generic" map but then there would be quite 
a few that would be very vendor specific and could cause some 
confusion down the line....  "hmmm... which ASN format do I use and 
who is it for...?"

I'm a big believer in the old K I S S mantra (keep it simple, 
stupid) and only have one spec and one translation format for each 
of My documents.... If I make a change to one of My specs (say, for 
example, our outbound 850 PO), then it will be a change that will go 
to ALL vendors....

Case in point - when we first developed out 850 PO spec, on the PO1 
segment, we only included our SKU and the UPC for item 
identification, plus quantity order, UOM, cost, case/pack, etc.....  
But for the actual item info - it was just our SKU and the UPC.  
Some vendors fill their orders off of UPC and some dont... Some work 
from their own Vendor Style number....  When I changed our 850 PO 
for that element - I added a generic description element, the vendor 
style element, a size element (if applicable)....  This was to 
assist some of our vendors that filled orders based upon a vendor 
style and used, for example, the size (clothing, shoes, etc.) as a 
secondary check.  But I didn't create an entirely new map/spec for 
apparel or shoe vendors....  Everybody still gets the same map, but 
with the new data....  it's on them to either use or not use that 
additional information.

There needs to be SOME flexibility between trading partners (hence 
the term PARTNER) when it comes to the spec and how you implement it 
and how partners comply with the spec and how you enforce said 
compliance.  As I mentioned in an early post - as long as you meet 
the basic requirements, any additional data is not an issue.

Craig Dunham
EDI Coordinator
Big 5 Sporting Goods

--- In [email protected], Travis Truax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  If the extra data comes in and just sits there 
> > then aren't you paying transmission costs for that unused data 
> > (through your van)?
> 
> We don't have what anyone would call a high volume of documents,
> but I do think a certain level of "partnership" is a healthy thing.
> I mean, we could just strip out every bit of non-essential markup
> and end up with a custom format for each (no delimiters, no 
headers, etc.)
> And the communication fees would be even less.
> 
> If there are a few extra characters, I just don't see the point in 
making
> someone remove them. I come from the supplier side - so I'm used 
to having
> to
> to do all kinds of rediculous stuff for some of our customers. But 
if the
> tables were turned, I don't think I would be so strict.
> 
> It will be even more annoying to your suppliers if a year later, 
you rollout
> a new system that needs that data, and then you mandate they make 
another
> change,
> in effect- "doing what they wanted to do all along."
> 
> Travis-
> 



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