On 07/10/15 18:36, Jordan Justen wrote:
> On 2015-07-10 04:29:11, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>> On 07/10/15 10:40, Wu, Jiaxin wrote:
>>> Yes, edk2-devel will strip it. You can check version2 for those
>>> series patches, I had added someone with cc tag to the commit
>>> message, but it haven't actually cc to those people.
>>
>> (3) Laszlo will get a copy directly from you, and another copy
>> *reflected* from the mailing list server. (Laszlo has mail filters in
>> place that file the direct copy into his INBOX, and the reflected copy
>> into his edk2-devel folder.)
>>
>> The copy that Laszlo directly gets from Jiaxin will have the following
>> headers:
>>
>>   From: Jiaxin
>>   To: edk2-devel
>>   Cc: Laszlo
>>
>> The copy that Laszlo gets from the mailing list server will have the
>> following headers:
>>
>>   From: Jiaxin
>>   To: edk2-devel
>>
>> This is because the mailing list server is *stupid*. It sees, in its
>> internal database, that Laszlo is subscribed, and therefore thinks
>> (completely incorrectly) that Laszlo should not be Cc:-d on messages
>> reflected from the list, "because he gets them anyway".
> 
> I found that mailman has a 'nodupes' setting that causes the Cc
> stripping. I've disabled it for the new edk2-devel list. Hopefully
> that is the setting we want...

I do know about a similarly named mailman feature. It is related, but
not the same thing.

The "nodupes" setting (if it is indeed the one I have in mind, and have
used several times before) controls whether the mailing list software
*reflects* the message to someone at all.

That is, in bullet (3) above, with nodupes=off, Laszlo gets two copies
(one from Jiaxin directly, and another from the list). With nodupes=on,
Laszlo would get *no* copy from the list -- the list software would see
that Laszlo was Cc'd on the original message, and therefore forego
reflecting the message to Laszlo *at all*.

Obviously, this would wreak havoc with Laszlo's email filters; those
really depend on getting *two* copies. But, others like to get one copy
only, under similar circumstances. This is why, in my understanding, the
"nodupes" setting is actually subscriber-level: the list may have a
top-level default, but each subscriber can change that setting for
himself, after logging in with his password on the list web GUI.

So, I very much agree that the nodupes default should be "off" for the
new list.

However, the current list has a different problem. It does work
correctly as far as "nodupes=off" is concerned (ie. it does reflect
messages to originally Cc'd people as well). The problem is that it
mangles those reflected messages: it strips the Cc fields that designate
subscribers.

> Unfortunately, disabling it on the current list would be a hassle.

I guess. :)

... Apologies about the verbiage.

Thanks!
Laszlo


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