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>
> The Rep defense that there were 15,000 in 1996 and no one complained is very
> weak. Isn't that evidence that there was a problem and maybe the Republican
> Sec of State should have done something before 2000?
The complaint from the Democrats was that there were 19000 spoiled
ballots indicating that there was a problem with the form. In 1996 there
were 14800 spoiled ballots. The percentage of spoiled ballots is roughly
the same.
>
> Why didn't anyone complain in 1996? Easy. It did not affect the outcome of
> the race. I think the public has a right to expect that the Secretary of
> State would have acted on this matter.
Yes. Of course that's why the Democrats complained. They hope to
overturn Bush's victory in a re-count. If Bush had been far in front the
Democrats would not have wasted their time. There seemed to be no
problem in 1996. In 2000 it's become a huge problem.
She is the state's top election
> official and the ultimate responsibility for this mess is hers. She didn't
> act. Why? Well, 19,000 wasted votes in Palm Beach (even if the ballot wasn't
> biased which it was in this case) means fewer votes for Democrats in state
> elections as the county typically votes heavily for democrats.
In the case under discussion, it is argued that some votes that
should've gone to Gore went to Buchanan. Do you mean that this
butterfly styled form is inherently biased against Democrats? Why so?
Republicans
> better watch the rhetoric on this because it all points back to the
> Republicans leaving a clearly flawed system in place that they knew was
> biased towards their campaigns.
The woman who headed the commission that created the form was a
Democrat.
>
> Dr. David Coursey
> Askew School
> Florida State
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dennis roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, November 10, 2000 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Stats on Palm Beach votes
>
> >the people claim that since it had been publicized in the newspaper trial
> >printing of the ballot ... that it was assumed that al gore, who IS listed
> >second on the left ... that his vote would be the second hole ... so, it
> >seems like many just like automatons ... punched the second hole ... which
> >was for buchannan ... but, the ballot is clear enough ... the arrow next to
> >gore is clearly >>>>>> this way to the right hole ...
> >
> >but, i want to know why there has not be as much fervor over the 19,000
> >invalidated ballots (primarily for double voting for TWO PRESIDENTIAL
> >CANDIDATES) and WHY that is the case? sure, they say that it was 15,000
> >last time (and then no one presses further on this issue) but ... this
> >seems real high to me ...
> >
> >i would like to see some county listings ... with total votes and %
> >invalidated for double voting and see if what palm beach is within the
> >typical range or, really an outlier ... IF it is an outlier ... then how
> >come? is it because the voters there are SO stupid as to vote for two
> >presidential candidates??? i seriously doubt it ... however, if that is not
> >a plausible alternative, then .. what about the layout of the ballot
> >compared to what was publicized in the local media??
> >
> >no one has really pressed this issue ... which seems crucial to me
> >
> >now, i am totally against REVOTES ... since, folks now know the results and
> >could alter their votes accordingly ... so that is not fair ... but, there
> >has to be some ways to attempt to recreate from the invalidated ballots ...
> >what happened and to try to recount those in relation to what appears to be
> >a read ballot design fiasco ...
> >
> >
> >
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