Hi Ace (I'm cc'ing you since I don't know whether you're on the list anymore)
Ace Suares wrote: > See http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/10/02/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t17:59 > > On the agenda was a proposal from LaserJock, which would resolve the > deadlock around cleaning up the wiki. It was not addressed. The EC > totally ignored the agenda. When I read your e-mail the first time I actually thought that I missed it on the agenda. If you check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/WikiSite/Meeting/Agenda there's a section called "Agenda next meeting" and "Agenda 2009-11-09". The wiki item was actually under "Agenda 2009-11-09", which is only next month. I'm not sure where that date comes from, or why we're splitting the agenda, or who split it up like that. We usually put it on one date and just remove the items that are discussed already, leaving unresolved items for the next meeting. Additionally, I think it's very unfair to say that the issue was ignored. We've already addressed the issues that blocked you from doing any work when discussing it on the edubuntu-devel mailing list. We won't be discussing every single wiki page before changing or moving it, no one has the time for that. Instead, we would rather have you follow the guidelines we have discussed and using your own judgement. > Well, nothing has happened. No comments on the wiki page. No talk about > either Jordan or mine proposal in the first EC meeting in months. > > When I started this, I thought I would clean up the wiki in about three > intensive weeks. Ace, that's part of the problem. You moved a great deal of wiki pages without discussing it with anyone or getting more feedback on the issue. When working in a team, you can't decide to do big things on your own, even if you end up doing most of the work. There's a good reason why "Be considerate" and "Be collaborative" are two of the major six points of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct[1]. > Due to total inadequacy of the governing body of Edubuntu, this project > is still in limbo. > > Actually, there is only ONE person stopping me every time I move > forward. All the others either don't care or give some praise and > encouragement. > > I'm done with this bunch. Some very common sociodynamics are at work. > Pioneers Syndrome comes to mind. These sociodynamics do really crumble > the structure of Edubuntu and stop (some) new people getting involved. I'm not familiar with the concept of "Pioneers Syndrome". I tried to look it up but couldn't find any reference. I agree that we've had some problems, but we've been very public and honest about it and we've acknowledged that Edubuntu's problems won't be sorted out over night. >From where I stand, we've made some very good progress recently, a big change from where we've been the last 2 years before that. I honestly don't mind you (or anyone) providing constructive criticism, but I don't believe that you are being very constructive with your current tone. > I am very sorry that this is all happening. I hope you can solve your > internal deadlock one day and grow again as a community. I might join > then, again. > > Thanks to all the people who sent positive thoughts the last couple of > months. And sorry for leaving you with a half-done wiki. Not my choice. The choice is all yours, really. Firstly, you made a large amount of changes to the wiki, and then you choose to leave it uncompleted, leaving us with more work than there was before you started working on it. That's where the sixth major point in the Code of Conduct comes in, "Step down considerably". From my perspective, saying mean things to those who have only tried to help you (Jordan for one has gone out of his way to try to accommodate you) and then wanting to leave things you have started without any form of handover or discussion is not in the spirit of the code. I note from your Launchpad page[2] that you have signed the code of conduct so I assume that you should be familiar with it. The last thing I want to do is use the CoC to do any kind of policing, and that's not what's happening here. I do want to note, however, that being impatient and demanding is not the way to make progress in a team and in a community. It would be sad to see you go, but if you're not willing to work as part of a team, then unfortunately our hands are tied. -Jonathan [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct [2] https://launchpad.net/~acesuares -- edubuntu-users mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users
