David, I could not care less about being "appreciated." The problem with Edubuntu has been the void the community was left with following some strategic Canonical decisions. I was in contact with the Canonical guys, they dropped the ball, and actually, we don't "all know the story." I don't see what is any more important to the community right now. The code base is now debian-edu, and I am Vagrant Cascadian's #1 fan. Edubuntu seems to be branding only, and we need to be clear about it. Are we submitting bugs to debian-edu, or are we repeating their efforts, re-tracking bugs at Launchpad, and calling it Edubuntu?
--scott On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:44 AM, David Van Assche <[email protected]> wrote: > I was actually looking for real items you are tackling within our community > (Edubuntu) right now! Outside that, yes your list of good deeds is > impressive and wonderful (Most of the so called leadership can probably > write a good couple pages on their good deeds too...) We all know the story > of how you couldn't get in contact with the Canonical guys, and how this has > made you feel unappreciated. But I think there's been enough repetition of > that story for now, surely we can find more interesting things to talk about > than the failure of communication during a meeting at one of the UDSes... > (spilled milk comes to mind...) > > Anyway, this doesnt' really have much to do with giving perspective... it > has to do with getting things done... all the perspective in the world is > not gonna make any difference if it isnt followed by coding, documentation, > bug squashing or the hundreds of other tasks open to volunteers... > > kind regards, > David Van Assche > www.nubae.com > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:08 PM, R. Scott Belford <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:56 PM, David Van Assche <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > Anyway, people like Scott (-not- sbalneaves) would do well to involve >> > themselves in 'fixing' the problem, rather than spewing destructive >> > criticism at every possible turn of events. All I've ever seen from your >> > emails is reasons as to why the people who really are working on things >> > (the >> > leadership you call them, though non would consider themselves that) are >> > doing it wrong. If that's the case, why don't YOU show us how its done? >> >> With the greatest of respect, please allow me to clarify why I feel >> that I have invested enough by now to have a valid, experienced, and >> urgent perspective. I am an advocate for users. I am one who sews >> seeds in my community in hopes of inspiring tomorrow's engineers and >> software developers. I am not a software developer, but I am a >> community developer. I am the one, and HOSEF is the charity, that has >> sent pre-installed Edubuntu computers to Western Samoa, American >> Samoa, San Manuel, Manila, and Isabela in the Philippines, orphans and >> women rescued from the sex trade in Cambodia, and given thousands of >> gnu/linux computers to individuals and schools here in Hawaii. >> >> When you are a foster child in Hawaii, or you have aged out of the >> system, you have possibly come across me indirectly when seeking a >> computer or a laptop. You got one that was tested and pre-installed >> with Debian Sarge, then it was Mandrake, then it became Edubuntu. If >> you have been lucky enough to go through my Computer Guts class, then >> you are likely a foster child who learned how to build your own >> computer, install software, and type a one page essay, 12-point font, >> no skipping lines, on what you learned. Chances are you were a 10-12 >> year old girl, and you are now only a few years away from having these >> gifts blossom for you. For about 5 years, twice a week, if you wanted >> hands-on help with open source software, you wanted to donate a >> computer, or you wanted to see what this 'linux thing' was all about, >> you found me waiting on you at a local school or business. >> >> If you are transitionally homeless, then you possibly got exposed to >> the K12LTSP at the Next Step homeless shelter. If you are homeless >> and on our beaches, as many are, then perhaps you have access to the >> Edubuntu (now Debian) computers, with a printer and scanner and >> covered by a free but filtered wifi cloud, that I manage in 4 City and >> County Park recreation centers. If you owe the State community >> service time, then you can serve our 501(c)(3) mission to promote and >> sustain FOSS by helping to set up our Free, donated, Gnu Linux >> Edutainment Learning centers. You can help to pick up or to deliver >> donations. Along the way you learn how kind and sharing those of us >> who care of FOSS can be. >> >> If you are one of our 300 schools in Hawaii without enough >> computers,or without enough knowledge, to bring the enterprise down to >> your size, for free, then you have been helped by me and the HOSEF >> volunteers. The school project that gave birth to Fedora, now >> K12Linux, is maintained to this day by me for the sole reason of >> perpetuating the shining legacy that it should be. In 2005 Hawaii >> became the first K12 school system in the US to offer Linux+ >> certification to its students, and if you were in school then, you had >> access to manuals and training due to the relationships I forged with >> Novell and our DOE. Lately, if you were Microsoft and you thought you >> were going to get America's only centralized DOE to use MS Office >> Live, then you were blindsided by how well-briefed and connected the >> Google Apps Education Team was when they swept in out of nowhere with >> a timely proposal. You see, I am the 'linux guy' or 'that open source >> guy' that all of these people turn to for help, for answers, for >> support, and more, for free. >> >> If you are Richard Stallman, John Terpstra, Bruce Perens, Jon "maddog" >> Hall, Larry Rosen, Allen Gunn, or Aaron Seigo, among others, then I or >> someone kind to HOSEF has paid for you to come to Hawaii and join >> guests like Andre Hill, CJ Coppersmith, Dave Pickens, Barton George, >> Horst Herb, Jim Thompson, our City CIO, Hawaii Legislators, and >> others, for our annual conference. While here you might have joined >> me at the Hilton Hawaiian Village where the world's A-List of Telecom >> Executives - Boeing, France Telecom, ATT, Verizon, Rogers, China >> Telcom, Korean Telcom, Orange, etc., etc., checked email and did their >> conference web-browsing on an "e-waste" 30-station thin-client email >> garden that I set up and supported for three years as a ubiquity test. >> FOSS passed in flying colors. I did, and do, all this as a volunteer >> service in reciprocity for the great software you help me use for >> free. I am hoping to inspire more creators with, and less users of, >> Free and Open Source Software. If I cannot pick up the developers >> torch, then maybe they can. >> >> The projects I am working on now are bigger than any of this other >> stuff. I am disappointed, David, that you would personally pile on >> like this without any awareness of or respect for the greater good >> that I am working for. I have admired your work using Opensuse and, >> in particular, your indexing and compiling efforts of late. I am >> friend to all, and I am a defender of the newcomer, the newbie, the >> person who wants to feel the vibe of Egoboo, and those who wish >> someone was here to help. Oh, and if you look at our website to find >> most of this, you won't find it because I hate, no, I HATE, no, >> actually, I kind of *HATE* the tedium of doing that kind of stuff and >> have long wished for a Bard and a Scribe. >> >> I am not sure if this is "how its done", but it's what I do. Last >> year, in August, during Linuxworld 2008, I addressed my Edubuntu >> issues with the most senior Canonical employees available at IBM's >> reception at The W. I set up meetings for Canonical/Ubuntu with the >> University of Hawaii's CIO and the City and County of Honolulu's CIO >> to catalyze a support-oriented relationship. Canonical failed to >> follow through. Wherever you are, seriously, go get the CIO of your >> State or your Country's leading University, and the CIO of America's >> 11th largest City, to agree to meet with people from Canonical about >> supporting a Desktop rollout only to get blown off. Do this while >> being the volunteer marketing and support department for Edubuntu and >> FOSS in general, and do it for about 8 years straight, and you'll >> appreciate why I find great offense that a volunteer in Ace came and >> left and all I see, again, is the circling of the developer clique. >> >> With Aloha >> >> --scott > > > > -- > > Stephen Leacock - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I > shall some day die, which is not so." -- edubuntu-users mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users
