Redirecting back to list, for the sake of transparency. I will not respond to direct attacks and accusations. So I'll terminate my part in this thread here.
kind regards, David Van Assche www.nubae.com On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:40 PM, R. Scott Belford <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm sorry, David, but you are now moving into the area of flaming, > inciting, and trolling. Unless I missed something, it was made quite > clear by Scott Balneaves about a month ago that Edubuntu was tracking > debian-edu. Edubuntu has everything to with Debian Edu in that > *ubuntu is but an off-shoot of Debian. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I > am most familiar with Vagrant from his work as Debian's LTSP > maintainer. LTSP is pretty critical to debian-edu, and that work is > pretty complementary to Edubuntu. At least I always thought so. > > I'm totally okay if you want to attack me, troll me, discredit me, or > question me. Perhaps it can go off list, though, unless there is a > way for it to be less taunting. I have not included the list on this > reply. If this is your last word on these subjects, you are welcome > to stand on your words. > > Aloha > > --scott > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:30 AM, David Van Assche <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Its clear you don't really know what you are talking about. Debian-edu > has > > nothing to do with Edubuntu, and Vagrant C is involved with upstream > LTSP, > > he has nothing to do with Edubuntu or Debian Edu for that matter. As far > as > > Debian goes, Vagrant C has done some great stuff with simple-cdd (a cd > based > > installer) and LTSP[1] > > > > I'm curious though, what specifically has he done that makes you his #1 > > fan....? I'm sure he's curious too :-) > > > > The people you should be mentioning are Jordan Mantha who has pretty much > > single handedly done most Edubuntu packaging, triaging, and development. > > Jonathan Carter Scott Balneaves, Alkis Georgopoulos and Stephane Graber > > have also helped out a great deal, though I couldn't get into specifics. > > I've probably forgotten others, but the point is these people don't > expect > > to be put under the stage lights, they just quietly do stuff, amongst the > > bickering and complaining which drowns out anything constructive. > > > > "The story" has been mentioned on this list and others countless times, > > though I'm not going to start pulling out references. I just know I've > heard > > it more times than I care to think about... > > > > Please stick to what you know, and stop confusing people who are > genuinely > > here to help... If you really want to help out, the list I mentioned a > > couple of emails back would be a great starting point... > > > > kind regards, > > David Van Assche > > www.nubae.com > > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM, R. Scott Belford <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> David, I could not care less about being "appreciated." The problem > >> with Edubuntu has been the void the community was left with following > >> some strategic Canonical decisions. I was in contact with the > >> Canonical guys, they dropped the ball, and actually, we don't "all > >> know the story." I don't see what is any more important to the > >> community right now. The code base is now debian-edu, and I am > >> Vagrant Cascadian's #1 fan. Edubuntu seems to be branding only, and > >> we need to be clear about it. Are we submitting bugs to debian-edu, > >> or are we repeating their efforts, re-tracking bugs at Launchpad, and > >> calling it Edubuntu? > >> > >> --scott > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:44 AM, David Van Assche <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > I was actually looking for real items you are tackling within our > >> > community > >> > (Edubuntu) right now! Outside that, yes your list of good deeds is > >> > impressive and wonderful (Most of the so called leadership can > probably > >> > write a good couple pages on their good deeds too...) We all know the > >> > story > >> > of how you couldn't get in contact with the Canonical guys, and how > this > >> > has > >> > made you feel unappreciated. But I think there's been enough > repetition > >> > of > >> > that story for now, surely we can find more interesting things to talk > >> > about > >> > than the failure of communication during a meeting at one of the > >> > UDSes... > >> > (spilled milk comes to mind...) > >> > > >> > Anyway, this doesnt' really have much to do with giving perspective... > >> > it > >> > has to do with getting things done... all the perspective in the world > >> > is > >> > not gonna make any difference if it isnt followed by coding, > >> > documentation, > >> > bug squashing or the hundreds of other tasks open to volunteers... > >> > > >> > kind regards, > >> > David Van Assche > >> > www.nubae.com > >> > > >> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:08 PM, R. Scott Belford <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:56 PM, David Van Assche < > [email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Anyway, people like Scott (-not- sbalneaves) would do well to > involve > >> >> > themselves in 'fixing' the problem, rather than spewing destructive > >> >> > criticism at every possible turn of events. All I've ever seen from > >> >> > your > >> >> > emails is reasons as to why the people who really are working on > >> >> > things > >> >> > (the > >> >> > leadership you call them, though non would consider themselves > that) > >> >> > are > >> >> > doing it wrong. If that's the case, why don't YOU show us how its > >> >> > done? > >> >> > >> >> With the greatest of respect, please allow me to clarify why I feel > >> >> that I have invested enough by now to have a valid, experienced, and > >> >> urgent perspective. I am an advocate for users. I am one who sews > >> >> seeds in my community in hopes of inspiring tomorrow's engineers and > >> >> software developers. I am not a software developer, but I am a > >> >> community developer. I am the one, and HOSEF is the charity, that > has > >> >> sent pre-installed Edubuntu computers to Western Samoa, American > >> >> Samoa, San Manuel, Manila, and Isabela in the Philippines, orphans > and > >> >> women rescued from the sex trade in Cambodia, and given thousands of > >> >> gnu/linux computers to individuals and schools here in Hawaii. > >> >> > >> >> When you are a foster child in Hawaii, or you have aged out of the > >> >> system, you have possibly come across me indirectly when seeking a > >> >> computer or a laptop. You got one that was tested and pre-installed > >> >> with Debian Sarge, then it was Mandrake, then it became Edubuntu. If > >> >> you have been lucky enough to go through my Computer Guts class, then > >> >> you are likely a foster child who learned how to build your own > >> >> computer, install software, and type a one page essay, 12-point font, > >> >> no skipping lines, on what you learned. Chances are you were a 10-12 > >> >> year old girl, and you are now only a few years away from having > these > >> >> gifts blossom for you. For about 5 years, twice a week, if you > wanted > >> >> hands-on help with open source software, you wanted to donate a > >> >> computer, or you wanted to see what this 'linux thing' was all about, > >> >> you found me waiting on you at a local school or business. > >> >> > >> >> If you are transitionally homeless, then you possibly got exposed to > >> >> the K12LTSP at the Next Step homeless shelter. If you are homeless > >> >> and on our beaches, as many are, then perhaps you have access to the > >> >> Edubuntu (now Debian) computers, with a printer and scanner and > >> >> covered by a free but filtered wifi cloud, that I manage in 4 City > and > >> >> County Park recreation centers. If you owe the State community > >> >> service time, then you can serve our 501(c)(3) mission to promote and > >> >> sustain FOSS by helping to set up our Free, donated, Gnu Linux > >> >> Edutainment Learning centers. You can help to pick up or to deliver > >> >> donations. Along the way you learn how kind and sharing those of us > >> >> who care of FOSS can be. > >> >> > >> >> If you are one of our 300 schools in Hawaii without enough > >> >> computers,or without enough knowledge, to bring the enterprise down > to > >> >> your size, for free, then you have been helped by me and the HOSEF > >> >> volunteers. The school project that gave birth to Fedora, now > >> >> K12Linux, is maintained to this day by me for the sole reason of > >> >> perpetuating the shining legacy that it should be. In 2005 Hawaii > >> >> became the first K12 school system in the US to offer Linux+ > >> >> certification to its students, and if you were in school then, you > had > >> >> access to manuals and training due to the relationships I forged with > >> >> Novell and our DOE. Lately, if you were Microsoft and you thought > you > >> >> were going to get America's only centralized DOE to use MS Office > >> >> Live, then you were blindsided by how well-briefed and connected the > >> >> Google Apps Education Team was when they swept in out of nowhere with > >> >> a timely proposal. You see, I am the 'linux guy' or 'that open > source > >> >> guy' that all of these people turn to for help, for answers, for > >> >> support, and more, for free. > >> >> > >> >> If you are Richard Stallman, John Terpstra, Bruce Perens, Jon > "maddog" > >> >> Hall, Larry Rosen, Allen Gunn, or Aaron Seigo, among others, then I > or > >> >> someone kind to HOSEF has paid for you to come to Hawaii and join > >> >> guests like Andre Hill, CJ Coppersmith, Dave Pickens, Barton George, > >> >> Horst Herb, Jim Thompson, our City CIO, Hawaii Legislators, and > >> >> others, for our annual conference. While here you might have joined > >> >> me at the Hilton Hawaiian Village where the world's A-List of Telecom > >> >> Executives - Boeing, France Telecom, ATT, Verizon, Rogers, China > >> >> Telcom, Korean Telcom, Orange, etc., etc., checked email and did > their > >> >> conference web-browsing on an "e-waste" 30-station thin-client email > >> >> garden that I set up and supported for three years as a ubiquity > test. > >> >> FOSS passed in flying colors. I did, and do, all this as a > volunteer > >> >> service in reciprocity for the great software you help me use for > >> >> free. I am hoping to inspire more creators with, and less users of, > >> >> Free and Open Source Software. If I cannot pick up the developers > >> >> torch, then maybe they can. > >> >> > >> >> The projects I am working on now are bigger than any of this other > >> >> stuff. I am disappointed, David, that you would personally pile on > >> >> like this without any awareness of or respect for the greater good > >> >> that I am working for. I have admired your work using Opensuse and, > >> >> in particular, your indexing and compiling efforts of late. I am > >> >> friend to all, and I am a defender of the newcomer, the newbie, the > >> >> person who wants to feel the vibe of Egoboo, and those who wish > >> >> someone was here to help. Oh, and if you look at our website to find > >> >> most of this, you won't find it because I hate, no, I HATE, no, > >> >> actually, I kind of *HATE* the tedium of doing that kind of stuff and > >> >> have long wished for a Bard and a Scribe. > >> >> > >> >> I am not sure if this is "how its done", but it's what I do. Last > >> >> year, in August, during Linuxworld 2008, I addressed my Edubuntu > >> >> issues with the most senior Canonical employees available at IBM's > >> >> reception at The W. I set up meetings for Canonical/Ubuntu with the > >> >> University of Hawaii's CIO and the City and County of Honolulu's CIO > >> >> to catalyze a support-oriented relationship. Canonical failed to > >> >> follow through. Wherever you are, seriously, go get the CIO of your > >> >> State or your Country's leading University, and the CIO of America's > >> >> 11th largest City, to agree to meet with people from Canonical about > >> >> supporting a Desktop rollout only to get blown off. Do this while > >> >> being the volunteer marketing and support department for Edubuntu and > >> >> FOSS in general, and do it for about 8 years straight, and you'll > >> >> appreciate why I find great offense that a volunteer in Ace came and > >> >> left and all I see, again, is the circling of the developer clique. > >> >> > >> >> With Aloha > >> >> > >> >> --scott > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Stephen Leacock - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue > >> > that I > >> > shall some day die, which is not so." > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Joan Crawford - "I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I > > earn, I spend." > -- Ted Turner <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_turner.html> - "Sports is like a war without the killing."
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