Which visual editor? I thought there was no true visual wikimedia editor, since it would have to basically be its own server, what with templates, etc.
Banaticus On 20 December 2011 18:12, Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Jan. > > Thanks for sharing this! It's very valuable to see the different models of > engagement with educators around the world. I had been involved in some > educational outreach myself in Wikimedia Israel, and they have been doing a > lot more of that in the past few months, and I hope they could share their > experiences and models (in English) soon too. > > Some comments in brief about your report: > > 1. the GEP operated by the WMF is certainly only _one_ model, and obviously > neither the only nor the first model to successfully engage with education. > It is very likely that the GEP model is not suitable for all geographies, > and that we don't have the resources to engage in the GEP model everywhere. > So it's great to collect models-that-work, for others to learn from and > maybe try. > > 2. re the community's openness to technical features such as the visual > editor: it's best to start a conversation about it sooner rather than later. > Has the visual editor been discussed at all in the cswp community? Have > people played with the demo? > > 3. Do you have thoughts about how to expand work in the Czech Republic > without taking up so much of Chmee2's time? I.e. can this scale to support, > say, 20 concurrent classes? > > Once again, thanks for sharing! It would be great to find a corner to > record this more lastingly, perhaps on the Outreach wiki. Is there anyone > on this list willing to curate this? > > Cheers, > > Asaf > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Juan de Vojníkov <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> This is a cross mail to educational-l and WMCZ board. >> >> Hi folks, >> >> on December 12, 2011 seven Czech Wikipedians (mostly scollars and >> researchers) met in a tearoom in Prague, Czech Republic to disscuss issues >> relating cooperation between Wikipedia and an educational institutions. At >> first some of the projects were presented and participants had a possibility >> to ask details about these projects. Then broad discussion on different >> topics continued. >> >> At the time, there is one project running by the cooperation between >> Wikipedians and teacher and one project which is runnig just by teacher >> iniciative. Other ambassador x educational institution projects are in the >> different stage of preparation (mostly attracting teacher and training). >> There is not just interest from the side of Wikipedians to start such >> cooperation, but also teachers directly come to use Wikipedia in the >> classroom by the means of edditing it. >> >> Seemingly the most successful project, running at this time on cs.wp, from >> which we may learn is the cooperation between user:Chmee2[1] and a teacher >> of ecology from the Institute for Environmental Studies from Faculty of >> Science of the Charles University. Chmee2 was contacted at Wikikonference >> 2010 after presenting a project aiming to develop articles about protected >> areas (=ecology) by a Ph.D. student, who introduce him to the teacher. Half >> a year later around 30 students were instructed how to edit Wikipedia. If >> they create NPOV, good article with references and images, they will recive >> a credit. User Chmee2 periodically reads students work, repair it and offer >> them a feedback. Thus the teacher doesn't have extra work with that. To the >> end of the semester students present chosen protected area (e.g. via MS >> PowerPoint) in class. Teacher and Chmee2 give them a feedback and together >> with the teacher and other students they give them questions to push them to >> think about the topic. Thus it gives students 2 values: a) they study and >> understand the topic, b) they got variegation in education and good feeling >> that their work will be useful. Chmee2 says: "The ambassador must have a >> time for such project. While in U.S. people are proud of having an editing >> experience with Wikipedia and they can have it in CV, in the Czech Republic >> that is nothing special and there is a luck of motivation. Thus ambassadors >> are old Wikipedians themselves." >> >> So it seems, that this might be one of the models which may work in the >> environment of the Czech Republic, while to see if other ambassador like >> programs will work we have to wait some time. >> >> Thus we spent quite a lot off time in discussing the motivation factor for >> students, teacher and/or ambassadors. It seems in it there would be a need >> of some credit system supporting ambassadors and/or teacher to become a >> valuable part of such cooperation. But this encounter legal issue of schools >> – you have to negotiate it with school functionaries. User:Hawkzn things it >> might be possible, while User:JirkaDI sees it like structural problem. >> >> Other "problems" comes when newbies coming to the Czech Wikipedia. There >> is a luck of mentors for them and they have to face both technical >> (wikisyntax, templates, standards) and social problems (unpleasant users, >> lack of social interaction, just templates on their discussion page). Thus >> we have agreed to focus on setting up some features from en.wp such gadget >> Cite[2] or Wikilove. At this time User:Vojtech.dostal comes up with the >> information that Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) developers is close to WYSIWYG >> editor for Wikipedia, but user Chmee2 is afraid that most of the good tools >> from WMF might be reject by the local community. >> >> The group is not just aware how to motivate more people to get into the >> cooperation and how to create friendlier environment for newcomers, but also >> comes up with questions how to communicate an offer to a teacher to start >> participate and how to motivate her/him to start up with the project. Thus >> participants will share their experience via Wikipedia on WikiProject >> EDU.[3] >> >> Finally could be assumed that this first meeting and hopefully not last, >> come up with a lot of answers and positive mood to continue with such work >> and overstep problems which will come up. There is a common will to continue >> in such work. Participants understand they should be slow in getting more >> work and work together, but as every participant has some amount of internal >> pride, they will probably work separately developing and testing new models. >> Some of them call to go to younger leaners (high school, elementary), others >> disagree and call to join seniors (via lifelong learning courses). >> >> If you understand Czech you can joint us via Ambassadors's page[4] and see >> there also our projects and their state. >> >> Best regards, >> Juandev >> Chmee2 >> >> [1] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Chmee2 >> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_expander >> [3] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:WikiProjekt_EDU >> [4] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Ambasadorstv%C3%AD >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> > > > > -- > Asaf Bartov > Wikimedia Foundation > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > _______________________________________________ Education mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
