I believe this is what Asaf means: < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor>. The demo is here: < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox>.
Pretty cool, if you ask me! - GW On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Bart <[email protected]> wrote: > Which visual editor? I thought there was no true visual wikimedia > editor, since it would have to basically be its own server, what with > templates, etc. > > Banaticus > > On 20 December 2011 18:12, Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, Jan. > > > > Thanks for sharing this! It's very valuable to see the different models > of > > engagement with educators around the world. I had been involved in some > > educational outreach myself in Wikimedia Israel, and they have been > doing a > > lot more of that in the past few months, and I hope they could share > their > > experiences and models (in English) soon too. > > > > Some comments in brief about your report: > > > > 1. the GEP operated by the WMF is certainly only _one_ model, and > obviously > > neither the only nor the first model to successfully engage with > education. > > It is very likely that the GEP model is not suitable for all > geographies, > > and that we don't have the resources to engage in the GEP model > everywhere. > > So it's great to collect models-that-work, for others to learn from and > > maybe try. > > > > 2. re the community's openness to technical features such as the visual > > editor: it's best to start a conversation about it sooner rather than > later. > > Has the visual editor been discussed at all in the cswp community? Have > > people played with the demo? > > > > 3. Do you have thoughts about how to expand work in the Czech Republic > > without taking up so much of Chmee2's time? I.e. can this scale to > support, > > say, 20 concurrent classes? > > > > Once again, thanks for sharing! It would be great to find a corner to > > record this more lastingly, perhaps on the Outreach wiki. Is there > anyone > > on this list willing to curate this? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Asaf > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Juan de Vojníkov < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> This is a cross mail to educational-l and WMCZ board. > >> > >> Hi folks, > >> > >> on December 12, 2011 seven Czech Wikipedians (mostly scollars and > >> researchers) met in a tearoom in Prague, Czech Republic to disscuss > issues > >> relating cooperation between Wikipedia and an educational institutions. > At > >> first some of the projects were presented and participants had a > possibility > >> to ask details about these projects. Then broad discussion on different > >> topics continued. > >> > >> At the time, there is one project running by the cooperation between > >> Wikipedians and teacher and one project which is runnig just by teacher > >> iniciative. Other ambassador x educational institution projects are in > the > >> different stage of preparation (mostly attracting teacher and training). > >> There is not just interest from the side of Wikipedians to start such > >> cooperation, but also teachers directly come to use Wikipedia in the > >> classroom by the means of edditing it. > >> > >> Seemingly the most successful project, running at this time on cs.wp, > from > >> which we may learn is the cooperation between user:Chmee2[1] and a > teacher > >> of ecology from the Institute for Environmental Studies from Faculty of > >> Science of the Charles University. Chmee2 was contacted at > Wikikonference > >> 2010 after presenting a project aiming to develop articles about > protected > >> areas (=ecology) by a Ph.D. student, who introduce him to the teacher. > Half > >> a year later around 30 students were instructed how to edit Wikipedia. > If > >> they create NPOV, good article with references and images, they will > recive > >> a credit. User Chmee2 periodically reads students work, repair it and > offer > >> them a feedback. Thus the teacher doesn't have extra work with that. To > the > >> end of the semester students present chosen protected area (e.g. via MS > >> PowerPoint) in class. Teacher and Chmee2 give them a feedback and > together > >> with the teacher and other students they give them questions to push > them to > >> think about the topic. Thus it gives students 2 values: a) they study > and > >> understand the topic, b) they got variegation in education and good > feeling > >> that their work will be useful. Chmee2 says: "The ambassador must have a > >> time for such project. While in U.S. people are proud of having an > editing > >> experience with Wikipedia and they can have it in CV, in the Czech > Republic > >> that is nothing special and there is a luck of motivation. Thus > ambassadors > >> are old Wikipedians themselves." > >> > >> So it seems, that this might be one of the models which may work in the > >> environment of the Czech Republic, while to see if other ambassador like > >> programs will work we have to wait some time. > >> > >> Thus we spent quite a lot off time in discussing the motivation factor > for > >> students, teacher and/or ambassadors. It seems in it there would be a > need > >> of some credit system supporting ambassadors and/or teacher to become a > >> valuable part of such cooperation. But this encounter legal issue of > schools > >> – you have to negotiate it with school functionaries. User:Hawkzn > things it > >> might be possible, while User:JirkaDI sees it like structural problem. > >> > >> Other "problems" comes when newbies coming to the Czech Wikipedia. There > >> is a luck of mentors for them and they have to face both technical > >> (wikisyntax, templates, standards) and social problems (unpleasant > users, > >> lack of social interaction, just templates on their discussion page). > Thus > >> we have agreed to focus on setting up some features from en.wp such > gadget > >> Cite[2] or Wikilove. At this time User:Vojtech.dostal comes up with the > >> information that Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) developers is close to > WYSIWYG > >> editor for Wikipedia, but user Chmee2 is afraid that most of the good > tools > >> from WMF might be reject by the local community. > >> > >> The group is not just aware how to motivate more people to get into the > >> cooperation and how to create friendlier environment for newcomers, but > also > >> comes up with questions how to communicate an offer to a teacher to > start > >> participate and how to motivate her/him to start up with the project. > Thus > >> participants will share their experience via Wikipedia on WikiProject > >> EDU.[3] > >> > >> Finally could be assumed that this first meeting and hopefully not last, > >> come up with a lot of answers and positive mood to continue with such > work > >> and overstep problems which will come up. There is a common will to > continue > >> in such work. Participants understand they should be slow in getting > more > >> work and work together, but as every participant has some amount of > internal > >> pride, they will probably work separately developing and testing new > models. > >> Some of them call to go to younger leaners (high school, elementary), > others > >> disagree and call to join seniors (via lifelong learning courses). > >> > >> If you understand Czech you can joint us via Ambassadors's page[4] and > see > >> there also our projects and their state. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Juandev > >> Chmee2 > >> > >> [1] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Chmee2 > >> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_expander > >> [3] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:WikiProjekt_EDU > >> [4] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Ambasadorstv%C3%AD > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Education mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Asaf Bartov > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Education mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >
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