Hi Bart, The visual editor is in development, and in no way done, which is why it has not been deployed yet. According to this week's Signpost<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-01-09/Technological_roadmap>, it is slated for release in April. Rest assured, the developers working on it are well aware of all that is currently missing and need work; tables and templates are the most difficult things to put in place, and indeed the main reasons why it is so difficult to make a visual editor. But they are working on just that, and I'm looking forward to seeing the result. :-)
2012/1/9 Bart <[email protected]> > I posted at > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Visual_editor#Can_this_handle_templates_and_tables.3Fasking > if the visual editor can handle tables and templates, and giving > examples of different types of tables. As I said there, either a template > or a table (sometimes both) are seen on every English Wikipedia article > that isn't a stub or something like that (all 3+ million of those article > pages) and even on most stubs, since pages have infobox templates, > stub-marking templates, etc. If this visual editor cannot handle either > templates or tables, it's going to be fairly useless for anything except > the lightest of editing. If it can handle those, then this is the greatest > thing since sliced bread. > > Banaticus > > > On 9 January 2012 20:02, Gorilla Warfare < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I believe this is what Asaf means: > > <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor>. The demo is here: > > <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox>. > > > > Pretty cool, if you ask me! > > > > - GW > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Bart <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Which visual editor? I thought there was no true visual wikimedia > >> editor, since it would have to basically be its own server, what with > >> templates, etc. > >> > >> Banaticus > >> > >> On 20 December 2011 18:12, Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Hi, Jan. > >> > > >> > Thanks for sharing this! It's very valuable to see the different > models > >> > of > >> > engagement with educators around the world. I had been involved in > some > >> > educational outreach myself in Wikimedia Israel, and they have been > >> > doing a > >> > lot more of that in the past few months, and I hope they could share > >> > their > >> > experiences and models (in English) soon too. > >> > > >> > Some comments in brief about your report: > >> > > >> > 1. the GEP operated by the WMF is certainly only _one_ model, and > >> > obviously > >> > neither the only nor the first model to successfully engage with > >> > education. > >> > It is very likely that the GEP model is not suitable for all > >> > geographies, > >> > and that we don't have the resources to engage in the GEP model > >> > everywhere. > >> > So it's great to collect models-that-work, for others to learn from > and > >> > maybe try. > >> > > >> > 2. re the community's openness to technical features such as the > visual > >> > editor: it's best to start a conversation about it sooner rather than > >> > later. > >> > Has the visual editor been discussed at all in the cswp community? > >> > Have > >> > people played with the demo? > >> > > >> > 3. Do you have thoughts about how to expand work in the Czech Republic > >> > without taking up so much of Chmee2's time? I.e. can this scale to > >> > support, > >> > say, 20 concurrent classes? > >> > > >> > Once again, thanks for sharing! It would be great to find a corner to > >> > record this more lastingly, perhaps on the Outreach wiki. Is there > >> > anyone > >> > on this list willing to curate this? > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > Asaf > >> > > >> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Juan de Vojníkov > >> > <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> This is a cross mail to educational-l and WMCZ board. > >> >> > >> >> Hi folks, > >> >> > >> >> on December 12, 2011 seven Czech Wikipedians (mostly scollars and > >> >> researchers) met in a tearoom in Prague, Czech Republic to disscuss > >> >> issues > >> >> relating cooperation between Wikipedia and an educational > institutions. > >> >> At > >> >> first some of the projects were presented and participants had a > >> >> possibility > >> >> to ask details about these projects. Then broad discussion on > different > >> >> topics continued. > >> >> > >> >> At the time, there is one project running by the cooperation between > >> >> Wikipedians and teacher and one project which is runnig just by > teacher > >> >> iniciative. Other ambassador x educational institution projects are > in > >> >> the > >> >> different stage of preparation (mostly attracting teacher and > >> >> training). > >> >> There is not just interest from the side of Wikipedians to start such > >> >> cooperation, but also teachers directly come to use Wikipedia in the > >> >> classroom by the means of edditing it. > >> >> > >> >> Seemingly the most successful project, running at this time on cs.wp, > >> >> from > >> >> which we may learn is the cooperation between user:Chmee2[1] and a > >> >> teacher > >> >> of ecology from the Institute for Environmental Studies from Faculty > of > >> >> Science of the Charles University. Chmee2 was contacted at > >> >> Wikikonference > >> >> 2010 after presenting a project aiming to develop articles about > >> >> protected > >> >> areas (=ecology) by a Ph.D. student, who introduce him to the > teacher. > >> >> Half > >> >> a year later around 30 students were instructed how to edit > Wikipedia. > >> >> If > >> >> they create NPOV, good article with references and images, they will > >> >> recive > >> >> a credit. User Chmee2 periodically reads students work, repair it and > >> >> offer > >> >> them a feedback. Thus the teacher doesn't have extra work with that. > To > >> >> the > >> >> end of the semester students present chosen protected area (e.g. via > MS > >> >> PowerPoint) in class. Teacher and Chmee2 give them a feedback and > >> >> together > >> >> with the teacher and other students they give them questions to push > >> >> them to > >> >> think about the topic. Thus it gives students 2 values: a) they study > >> >> and > >> >> understand the topic, b) they got variegation in education and good > >> >> feeling > >> >> that their work will be useful. Chmee2 says: "The ambassador must > have > >> >> a > >> >> time for such project. While in U.S. people are proud of having an > >> >> editing > >> >> experience with Wikipedia and they can have it in CV, in the Czech > >> >> Republic > >> >> that is nothing special and there is a luck of motivation. Thus > >> >> ambassadors > >> >> are old Wikipedians themselves." > >> >> > >> >> So it seems, that this might be one of the models which may work in > the > >> >> environment of the Czech Republic, while to see if other ambassador > >> >> like > >> >> programs will work we have to wait some time. > >> >> > >> >> Thus we spent quite a lot off time in discussing the motivation > factor > >> >> for > >> >> students, teacher and/or ambassadors. It seems in it there would be a > >> >> need > >> >> of some credit system supporting ambassadors and/or teacher to > become a > >> >> valuable part of such cooperation. But this encounter legal issue of > >> >> schools > >> >> – you have to negotiate it with school functionaries. User:Hawkzn > >> >> things it > >> >> might be possible, while User:JirkaDI sees it like structural > problem. > >> >> > >> >> Other "problems" comes when newbies coming to the Czech Wikipedia. > >> >> There > >> >> is a luck of mentors for them and they have to face both technical > >> >> (wikisyntax, templates, standards) and social problems (unpleasant > >> >> users, > >> >> lack of social interaction, just templates on their discussion page). > >> >> Thus > >> >> we have agreed to focus on setting up some features from en.wp such > >> >> gadget > >> >> Cite[2] or Wikilove. At this time User:Vojtech.dostal comes up with > the > >> >> information that Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) developers is close to > >> >> WYSIWYG > >> >> editor for Wikipedia, but user Chmee2 is afraid that most of the good > >> >> tools > >> >> from WMF might be reject by the local community. > >> >> > >> >> The group is not just aware how to motivate more people to get into > the > >> >> cooperation and how to create friendlier environment for newcomers, > but > >> >> also > >> >> comes up with questions how to communicate an offer to a teacher to > >> >> start > >> >> participate and how to motivate her/him to start up with the project. > >> >> Thus > >> >> participants will share their experience via Wikipedia on WikiProject > >> >> EDU.[3] > >> >> > >> >> Finally could be assumed that this first meeting and hopefully not > >> >> last, > >> >> come up with a lot of answers and positive mood to continue with such > >> >> work > >> >> and overstep problems which will come up. There is a common will to > >> >> continue > >> >> in such work. Participants understand they should be slow in getting > >> >> more > >> >> work and work together, but as every participant has some amount of > >> >> internal > >> >> pride, they will probably work separately developing and testing new > >> >> models. > >> >> Some of them call to go to younger leaners (high school, elementary), > >> >> others > >> >> disagree and call to join seniors (via lifelong learning courses). > >> >> > >> >> If you understand Czech you can joint us via Ambassadors's page[4] > and > >> >> see > >> >> there also our projects and their state. > >> >> > >> >> Best regards, > >> >> Juandev > >> >> Chmee2 > >> >> > >> >> [1] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Chmee2 > >> >> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_expander > >> >> [3] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:WikiProjekt_EDU > >> >> [4] http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Ambasadorstv%C3%AD > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Education mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Asaf Bartov > >> > Wikimedia Foundation > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Education mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Education mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Education mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > -- mvh Jon Harald Søby <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by>
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