Such a noticeboard would be great, if made easy for community members to find! It'd mean centralization of everything from a single problem student through to an ambassador going on wikibreak whose courses need extra eyes, and that's a good thing in my book.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Frank Schulenburg < [email protected]> wrote: > Derrick & all, > > Another thought: how do we want to handle issues where some part of the > program (be it an entire course or a Campus/Online Ambassador) is having > problems? Let's face it – not every student will contribute the same > quality content. Although we know through surveys that many of them are > highly motivated and have a lot of respect when it comes to see their own > words appear on a medium that they're using almost daily, some of them will > still underperform. And also the other way round: not every Campus/Online > Ambassador is on the same level or has enough time to support the students > as needed. > > So, getting back to Sonia's case: how can we make sure that we handle > issues effectively? Would it be beneficial to create a page (e.g. > "Wikipedia:Education program noticeboard") where both community members and > instructors could flag issues? I guess it would be a good first step _to be > aware_ of issues like the one that Sonia is referring to. > > Part of what Rob Schnautz is doing as a contractor is to look into the > students' contributions (by taking reasonable samples) and to flag issues > to other members of my team. How about if we did this in a more > collaborative way and started a page like the one I suggested above? > > Would that be more effective? > > Frank > > Am 16.04.2012 um 20:05 schrieb Frank Schulenburg: > > Agreed. I think it's a great idea to have a kind of "checkpoint" review > earlier in the semester. Did you know that Pharos started an 'Educational > peer review' process recently? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Educational_peer_review_requests > > I really like the idea and it could be a significant improvement when it > comes to giving the students feedback. I would be more than happy if this > kind of initiative was successful. > > Thanks a lot for your thoughts, Derrick! > > Frank > > Am 16.04.2012 um 19:27 schrieb Derrick Coetzee: > > My thoughts: > > Even with the very best student groups I've seen, it was absolutely > necessary to review their work periodically. These days I use my Followed > users tools to facilitate this. > > http://toolserver.org/~dcoetzee/followedusers/ > > I absolutely agree that it should be *mandatory* to have an experienced > Wikipedian review each contribution before it goes live in mainspace, or > else you can end up with a lot of people panicking to clean up > contributions that were not ready for deployment. This is feasible because > of the program requirement that there are a limited number of students per > CA/OA, and contributes directly to student learning and to the project. > > Moreover, I think it's very important to have at least one less thorough > "checkpoint" review earlier in the semester, where the student's initial > draft is reviewed for any problems. Students are deploying very late in the > term, and if they have serious issues such as copyright violations it may > be too late to do much about them. > > Finally, I think it's vital that ambassadors examine the topic choices of > the students as soon as they're made, and make sure they're suitable for > articles. > > I don't believe Sonia's experience with her class is representative (that > particular faculty member has a history of issues), but I do think that > certain measures are good for every student int he program. > > -- > Derrick Coetzee > User:Dcoetzee > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Sonia Newton-Shostakovich < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Seconding Guerillero, with a little added thought: >> >> Some, okay, a *lot* of the edits students have made have been frankly >> terrible. Many classes do not have ambassadors actively supervising them, >> and are putting out edits that are more harmful than helpful to the project >> and don't get fixed (and personally, I've been involved with a class just >> as "on call for questions"; just reviewed their work recently and was >> kicking myself for not having the foresight to monitor them regardless of >> my explicit role. Yay cleanup!) We don't have enough active ambassadors to >> follow each student around, nor is there infrastructure in place to make >> sure each class has some oversight of that sort. >> >> It's a dual-fold problem: firstly, as an Articles for Creation reviewer, >> I'm sometimes coming across students who are obviously part of classes but >> who have not made any edits which would allow me to find their course page, >> and whose instructions have clearly been dismal; secondly, as an >> ambassador, I'm sometimes overwhelmed when looking at just a couple of >> courses and trying to make a student's contributions conform to our >> standards without destroying their morale and/or grade. A lot of this could >> be prevented on the campus side of things: *before *the in-hindsight >> cleaning up, instructions for students should be sufficient and accurate, >> and supervision by experienced Wikipedians made *compulsory*. Too many >> terrible paragraphs will fall through the gaps otherwise. >> >> The more work I see from this project the more I'm inclined to agree with >> Piotr that profs who haven't ever done tasks similar to that they set for >> their students should not be setting those tasks. >> >> Sonia >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Guerillero Wikipedia < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That is the issue world wide. Here are some of the issues that I see. >>> >>> (a) We need to have the guts to say no sometimes. At least in the >>> states, I feel that we would get better results if we tried to get more >>> small liberal arts schools who have class sizes that range from 10-30. One >>> hundred plus person classes do not work well with our model. >>> >>> (b) We need to shoot for upper level classes. PSY 100 or ENG 101 should >>> not be our target class. The students do not know yet how to write >>> effectively in their subject area, for the most part, and have yet to do >>> real research. 200 or 300 level classes would be easier to work with. >>> >>> These two things cut down on the number of volunteers. Who wants to work >>> with 100 freshman who do not comunicate with you no matter how hard you try >>> and who have yet to learn how to produce a workable product. >>> >>> --Guerillero >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting thread! >>>> >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Ambassadors#The_future_of_our_program >>>> >>>> This is the main challenge in my opinion for the second semester for >>>> WEP in Brazil, multiply the number of ambassadors - there is some >>>> progress here in the pilot. To convince professors on the importance >>>> and need of this program after showing successful cases seems easier >>>> than to have enough campus ambassadors for the demand. A key step of >>>> the project when we are thinking about expanding in any place. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) >>>> Wikimedia Brasil >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Education mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Education mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >
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