Thanks Jen, and by the way it is far better to ask in a place like this and be told "no" then to go onto Wikipedia and to get into trouble there. (:
Pine On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Jennifer Gristock <[email protected]> wrote: > > I thank you all for your guidance and I see that whilst having students in > teaching classes editing multiple subjects is ok, asking students to edit > multiple topics about research in the same institution, topic etc is > unlikely to be OK because they will be too close to the people involved and > I agree this is A Bad Idea. > > However just in the interest of being clear, with respect to the other > things mentioned here, I was not talking about original research - only > peer reviewed published papers - and never mentioned articles about > "yourself/biography". > > I certainly wouldn't want anyone to even imagine I would consider such > practices. > > On a more personal note I am a writer who was last employed as an academic > many years ago. > > I take these issues seriously, which is why I came here to ask questions > in the first place. I do believe the issues are not yet clear and need to > be so. > > It is especially confusing when I see people referencing their own > websites! > > With thanks > > Jen / Open Research > > > > Sent from my mobile > > On 10 Jul 2014, at 20:05, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > > In general: > > 1. Citing your own academic work and/or adding an article on Wikipedia > about your work would be to introduce original research AND potentially > COI, and both of those are not ok. You could propose an edit on an article > talk page with an explanation that you are the researcher. > > 2. Editing an article about yourself would be COI. You could propose an > edit on the article talk page with the explanation that you are the subject > of the article. > > 3. Encouraging your students to add your or their research on Wikipedia > would be meatpuppetry, original research, and/or potentially COI, and any > of those is not OK. > > 4. Encouraging your students to edit your biography on Wikipedia would be > meatpuppetry and potentially COI, and both of those are not OK. A professor > did this in the past and was caught. > > When in doubt, I recommend writing on an article talk page, explaining > your relationship to the content that you are proposing to add, and writing > a draft of your proposed change for other editors to review. > > Pine > > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Jon Beasley-Murray < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> Your question was: "is there a way to count the contributions that a user >> has made *on behalf of* another particular user?" (my emphasis) >> >> And: "It seems to me that the way to overcome this roadblock is to >> introduce a way of counting the contributions made by a person (say, a >> research student, or a colleague) *on behalf of* a Professor." (again, my >> emphasis) >> >> Which rather sounds like a proxy, by any definition of that term. >> >> I would be strongly against encouraging such practices. >> >> Take care >> >> Jon >> >> On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Jennifer Gristock <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > I too believe that the ideal approach is for academics to write about >> other people's work: that is why my original question was about ways of >> tracing/counting this. >> > >> > But if you're saying that a research student writing about other people >> 'a work (plural, not singular ) is not advisable because they are somehow a >> 'proxy', I must say I don't quite see it that way, but thank you for >> helping me to see the multiple ways in which this could be construed. >> > >> > >> > Sent from my mobile >> > >> >> On 10 Jul 2014, at 18:21, Jon Beasley-Murray < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Jennifer: >> >> >> >> I would be very wary indeed of the model you're proposing, in which >> either individual researchers or their proxies insert their work into >> Wikipedia. We see enough of that already, and I would be concerned if >> there were any official (or even semi-official) encouragement of the >> practice. >> >> >> >> The issue is less conflict of interest (though that's true, too) as >> (self)promotion (which you seem to be actively encouraging) and undue >> weight. >> >> >> >> This is not to say that professors (academics, researchers) should not >> be writing in their areas of expertise. Of course they should! But >> perhaps a rule of thumb is that they should be writing about *other* >> people's work in that area, rather than their own. >> >> >> >> Take care >> >> >> >> Jon >> >> >> >>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jennifer Gristock <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Greetings everyone. I'm still working on that system to encourage >> university professors to contribute to Wikipedia, a system that is >> concerned not through teaching, like the Education Programme, but through >> research. >> >>> >> >>> I need some help. Can you tell me, in the Wikipedia API, is there a >> way to count the contributions that a user has made on behalf of another >> particular user? For example, a professor might ask a group of PhD students >> to make contributions involving his/her research on various Wikipedia >> pages, on his/her behalf. >> >>> >> >>> I have been frequently told (at the Teahouse and elsewhere) that >> Professors are not allowed to contribute information about their own >> published research papers on Wikipedia pages, because this would be biased. >> (Which is rather a downer for the professor, because this means they are >> forbidden to write about the things they are most passionate and >> knowledgeable about.) >> >>> >> >>> If this is rule is true, then it must certainly be seen as a >> roadblock to academic engagement with Wikipedia. If it isn't, then it is >> editors' perception of the rule as true (as I have experienced) that is the >> roadblock. >> >>> >> >>> It seems to me that the way to overcome this roadblock is to >> introduce a way of counting the contributions made by a person (say, a >> research student, or a colleague) on behalf of a Professor. So at the end >> of the year, the Professor can say 'my research contributed to X edits on >> Wikipedia' as easily as each individual student (who might contribute on >> behalf of many academic researchers) can count their individual edits. >> >>> >> >>> Can the API accommodate this in some way? Perhaps through some sort >> of 'project' code or something? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Yours hopefully, >> >>> >> >>> Jenny Gristock (Open_Research) >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPad >> >>> >> >>>> On 9 Jul 2014, at 22:40, LiAnna Davis <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi all! >> >>>> >> >>>> I wanted to draw your attention to the Educator Training we'll be >> having as part of the Wikimania Pre-conference on August 7: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education_Pre-Conference/Educator_training >> >>>> >> >>>> The Educator Training is designed to give educators of all levels >> the knowledge they need to use Wikipedia or other Wikimedia projects as a >> teaching tool in their classrooms. The training is open to educators from >> any country, and Wikipedia editing experience is not required. >> >>>> >> >>>> If you're interested in attending or you know someone who is, please >> see the page for more information. I especially encourage anyone who's >> thought about getting a Wikipedia Education Program going in your country >> to attend, as you'll learn a lot about the different kinds of assignments >> students could do. >> >>>> >> >>>> LiAnna >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> LiAnna Davis >> >>>> Head of Communications and External Relations >> >>>> Wiki Education Foundation >> >>>> +1-415-770-1061 >> >>>> www.wikiedu.org >> >>>> >> >>>> Please note my new email address and update your contacts >> accordingly: [email protected] >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Education mailing list >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Education mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Education mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Education mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >
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