Hi Pine! Sure!
Best, Lilit Tarkhanyan Wikimedia Armenia Board Member Wikipedia Education Program Leader 2a Arshakunyats ave., 4th floor tel. +374 55 534 011 On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:50 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Shai, thanks very much for this information. > > Would everyone who has contributed to this thread (Leigh, Lilit, Shai, and > Gabriel) be OK with me copying the content of these emails onto the > Outreach Wiki, and linking to your Wikimedia user accounts on the wiki > page? I will try to find a place for this discussion that makes sense on > Outreach wiki. Once the information is there, I can put links to it from > other locations and/or copy from it to other locations with appropriate > attribution. > > Thanks, > > Pine > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:13 AM, שי כץ <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> Sorry I'm joining the correspondence late (this is the period of training >> teachers in Israel, busy days). It is interesting to learn from the >> experience that was gained around the world and different models that were >> developed. I'd be happy to share a few points based on the education >> activity in Israel. >> >> Our main expertise concerns educational tasks of creating new articles, >> and significantly expanding existing ones, in Wikipedia. Here, too, >> experience has shown that for such tasks, level of writing is more >> important than age (as long as the students are not too young, that is, >> their age is over 13 or 14). >> >> Regarding the skills required for such tasks – we defined the following >> skill Check: >> >> 1. Curiosity, the ability to ask questions >> >> 2. Good information literacy - high ability to detect and evaluate >> information sources >> >> 3. A good reading comprehension, including the ability to perform >> critical reading and distinct between important and unimportant data >> >> 4. Good writing skills, including the ability to write clearly and >> correctly, form independent phrases, design the structure of the text, >> synthesize different sources of information, and adjust the writing style >> to the desired genre >> >> Another point that should be noted, is that the ability of young students >> (and generally, of newcomers) to cope with the task of articles writing >> depends not just on their personal abilities, but also the nature of the >> writing subject, the assignment and the training. These are the conclusions >> we reached in this regard: >> >> 1. Writing subjects: young students performs better when they write >> about concrete writing topics, such as persons or heritage sites. >> >> 2. Assignments: young students tend to deal with creating a new content >> unit (a new article or chapter) better than with modifying an existing text. >> >> 3. Training: >> >> a. Young students will need assistance in choosing the writing subject, >> planning the process of work, locating and evaluating sources of >> information and drafting. Therefore, it is important to have a close and >> professional figure that will supervise them (we work with teachers >> especially trained to do it.) >> >> b. If all the students write about a similar topic, it is easier to give >> them detailed guidance, because everyone can get the same recommendations >> regarding the structure and type of information sources. (For example, in >> one of our projects, 50 young students wrote articles on the same topic - >> leading scientists, and thus we were able to produce a uniform training >> brochure >> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMIL_-_A_Guide_to_Writing_Articles_about_Awards_Winning_Scientists.pdf> >> that >> can guide them better in the process of content creation.) >> >> One last point: teachers may be interested in using Wikipedia as a >> pedagogical tool in the context of content creating, but also in the >> context of information consumption. I am attaching a link for a teacher >> guide >> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_in_Class_-_Teachers_Guide.pdf> >> that >> offers teachers the pedagogical use Wikipedia in both these contexts. >> >> Thanks to everyone for sharing information, happy to be a part of this >> correspondence! >> >> Shai Katz >> >> Education Coordinator, Wikimedia Israel >> >> 2016-07-13 22:25 GMT+03:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: >> >>> I like how you think. (: >>> >>> Pine >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Lilit Tarkhanyan < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, Pine, you are right. They are editing mainly Armenian Wiktionary >>>> and we have just begun editing Wikisource but it is an experimental trial >>>> though I think with time we'll succeed again :) There are secondary school >>>> students who simultaneously edit Wikipedia under their >>>> teachers/coordinators' guide but they are hyperactive in Wiktionary. One of >>>> our goals of involving students in editing different wikiprojects is that >>>> we want each student to find a wikiproject which fits him, which he will >>>> edit with great pleasure and as a result we have long-term editors. After >>>> gaining enough experience they move from one project to another thus they >>>> do not get bored. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Lilit Tarkhanyan >>>> Wikimedia Armenia >>>> Board Member >>>> Wikipedia Education Program Leader >>>> 2a Arshakunyats ave., 4th floor >>>> tel. +374 55 534 011 >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Lilit. If I recall correctly, Wikimedia Armenia also includes >>>>> middle school students in its education program? Is that correct, and if >>>>> so, which projects do they tend to edit? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Pine >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 3:30 AM, Lilit Tarkhanyan < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pine >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with Leigh that an educator should design his course based on >>>>>> his students' abilities as not all the students have strong skills of >>>>>> writing an encyclopedic article and in in this case the age doesn't >>>>>> really >>>>>> matter. That is the reason why we started our Education program >>>>>> based on Armenian Wiktionary >>>>>> <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/02/01/wikicamp-armenia-student-editors/> >>>>>> which has a real success. The majority of the program editors are >>>>>> secondary >>>>>> school students. We also began to include Armenian Wikisource in our >>>>>> program, so we'll see what comes of it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lilit Tarkhanyan >>>>>> Wikimedia Armenia >>>>>> Board Member >>>>>> Wikipedia Education Program Leader >>>>>> 2a Arshakunyats ave., 4th floor >>>>>> tel. +374 55 534 011 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:07 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That is very useful information for me to hear. Thanks Leigh. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that Wikimedia Armenia is similarly finding that they can be >>>>>>> successful on projects other than Wikipedia; in their case I believe >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> their younger students are having success with Wiktionary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If we only think about WEP as writing a Wikipedia article as a >>>>>>>> class assignment, then yes, the overriding qualification is writing >>>>>>>> ability... same as for any other volunteer doing that work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fortunately, there are other ways to participate... just like any >>>>>>>> other Wikimedian. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think what it really comes down to is designing a >>>>>>>> program/activities that meet the needs and strengths of students. We >>>>>>>> saw a >>>>>>>> long time ago that what works for the US and Canada does not >>>>>>>> necessarily >>>>>>>> work for other parts of the world. Even at the national level, a single >>>>>>>> model may not work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At Tec de Monterrey, little of our activity is writing new articles >>>>>>>> as part of coursework and there are various reasons for this based on >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> system and culture. Instead, we focus on students doing their community >>>>>>>> service requirement (WP is a popular option for this) and Semana i (i >>>>>>>> Week) >>>>>>>> ... when students work on projects instead of going to class. We do >>>>>>>> translations, photography, video, audio and animation. (still working >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> convincing someone to look into hacking opportunities). These >>>>>>>> activities >>>>>>>> have worked very well for us so far, and we have excellent contribution >>>>>>>> stats. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:49:11 -0700 >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: [Wikimedia Education] Which kinds of students are >>>>>>>> successful in education programs? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Education Program participants, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering, for purposes of the "LearnWiki" video series, which >>>>>>>> kinds of students tend to be successful in Wikipedia Education Program >>>>>>>> courses. The impression I am getting is that age is less important than >>>>>>>> writing ability. I have heard that some middle school students with >>>>>>>> strong >>>>>>>> writing abilities can do well on Wikipedia, while 1st and 2nd year >>>>>>>> college >>>>>>>> students can struggle if their writing skills are weak. Would you agree >>>>>>>> with that assessment? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are there any "skill checks" that you would recommend educators do >>>>>>>> with their students to make sure that they have the skills necessary >>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>> WEP course? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ Education mailing >>>>>>>> list [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Education mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Education mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Education mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Education mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Education mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Education mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> *בברכה,* >> >> >> *שי כץ * >> *רכזת הדרכה וחינוךויקימדיה ישראל* >> >> משרד: 077-3200796 | נייד: 054-4435834 >> http://www.wikimedia.org.il >> >> [image: תמונה מוטבעת 3] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >
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