Sure Pine. That's a wonderful idea. Cheers, Shai 2016-07-21 23:55 GMT+03:00 Lilit Tarkhanyan <[email protected]>:
> Hi Pine! > > Sure! > > Best, > > Lilit Tarkhanyan > Wikimedia Armenia > Board Member > Wikipedia Education Program Leader > 2a Arshakunyats ave., 4th floor > tel. +374 55 534 011 > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:50 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Shai, thanks very much for this information. >> >> Would everyone who has contributed to this thread (Leigh, Lilit, Shai, >> and Gabriel) be OK with me copying the content of these emails onto the >> Outreach Wiki, and linking to your Wikimedia user accounts on the wiki >> page? I will try to find a place for this discussion that makes sense on >> Outreach wiki. Once the information is there, I can put links to it from >> other locations and/or copy from it to other locations with appropriate >> attribution. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pine >> >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:13 AM, שי כץ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> Sorry I'm joining the correspondence late (this is the period of >>> training teachers in Israel, busy days). It is interesting to learn from >>> the experience that was gained around the world and different models that >>> were developed. I'd be happy to share a few points based on the education >>> activity in Israel. >>> >>> Our main expertise concerns educational tasks of creating new articles, >>> and significantly expanding existing ones, in Wikipedia. Here, too, >>> experience has shown that for such tasks, level of writing is more >>> important than age (as long as the students are not too young, that is, >>> their age is over 13 or 14). >>> >>> Regarding the skills required for such tasks – we defined the following >>> skill Check: >>> >>> 1. Curiosity, the ability to ask questions >>> >>> 2. Good information literacy - high ability to detect and evaluate >>> information sources >>> >>> 3. A good reading comprehension, including the ability to perform >>> critical reading and distinct between important and unimportant data >>> >>> 4. Good writing skills, including the ability to write clearly and >>> correctly, form independent phrases, design the structure of the text, >>> synthesize different sources of information, and adjust the writing style >>> to the desired genre >>> >>> Another point that should be noted, is that the ability of young >>> students (and generally, of newcomers) to cope with the task of articles >>> writing depends not just on their personal abilities, but also the nature >>> of the writing subject, the assignment and the training. These are the >>> conclusions we reached in this regard: >>> >>> 1. Writing subjects: young students performs better when they write >>> about concrete writing topics, such as persons or heritage sites. >>> >>> 2. Assignments: young students tend to deal with creating a new content >>> unit (a new article or chapter) better than with modifying an existing text. >>> >>> 3. Training: >>> >>> a. Young students will need assistance in choosing the writing subject, >>> planning the process of work, locating and evaluating sources of >>> information and drafting. Therefore, it is important to have a close and >>> professional figure that will supervise them (we work with teachers >>> especially trained to do it.) >>> >>> b. If all the students write about a similar topic, it is easier to give >>> them detailed guidance, because everyone can get the same recommendations >>> regarding the structure and type of information sources. (For example, in >>> one of our projects, 50 young students wrote articles on the same topic - >>> leading scientists, and thus we were able to produce a uniform training >>> brochure >>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMIL_-_A_Guide_to_Writing_Articles_about_Awards_Winning_Scientists.pdf> >>> that >>> can guide them better in the process of content creation.) >>> >>> One last point: teachers may be interested in using Wikipedia as a >>> pedagogical tool in the context of content creating, but also in the >>> context of information consumption. I am attaching a link for a teacher >>> guide >>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_in_Class_-_Teachers_Guide.pdf> >>> that >>> offers teachers the pedagogical use Wikipedia in both these contexts. >>> >>> Thanks to everyone for sharing information, happy to be a part of this >>> correspondence! >>> >>> Shai Katz >>> >>> Education Coordinator, Wikimedia Israel >>> >>> 2016-07-13 22:25 GMT+03:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> I like how you think. (: >>>> >>>> Pine >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Lilit Tarkhanyan < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, Pine, you are right. They are editing mainly Armenian Wiktionary >>>>> and we have just begun editing Wikisource but it is an experimental trial >>>>> though I think with time we'll succeed again :) There are secondary school >>>>> students who simultaneously edit Wikipedia under their >>>>> teachers/coordinators' guide but they are hyperactive in Wiktionary. One >>>>> of >>>>> our goals of involving students in editing different wikiprojects is that >>>>> we want each student to find a wikiproject which fits him, which he will >>>>> edit with great pleasure and as a result we have long-term editors. After >>>>> gaining enough experience they move from one project to another thus they >>>>> do not get bored. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Lilit Tarkhanyan >>>>> Wikimedia Armenia >>>>> Board Member >>>>> Wikipedia Education Program Leader >>>>> 2a Arshakunyats ave., 4th floor >>>>> tel. +374 55 534 011 >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Lilit. If I recall correctly, Wikimedia Armenia also includes >>>>>> middle school students in its education program? Is that correct, and if >>>>>> so, which projects do they tend to edit? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Pine >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 3:30 AM, Lilit Tarkhanyan < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Pine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with Leigh that an educator should design his course based >>>>>>> on his students' abilities as not all the students have strong skills of >>>>>>> writing an encyclopedic article and in in this case the age doesn't >>>>>>> really >>>>>>> matter. That is the reason why we started our Education program >>>>>>> based on Armenian Wiktionary >>>>>>> <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/02/01/wikicamp-armenia-student-editors/> >>>>>>> which has a real success. The majority of the program editors are >>>>>>> secondary >>>>>>> school students. We also began to include Armenian Wikisource in our >>>>>>> program, so we'll see what comes of it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lilit Tarkhanyan >>>>>>> Wikimedia Armenia >>>>>>> Board Member >>>>>>> Wikipedia Education Program Leader >>>>>>> 2a Arshakunyats ave., 4th floor >>>>>>> tel. +374 55 534 011 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:07 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is very useful information for me to hear. Thanks Leigh. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that Wikimedia Armenia is similarly finding that they can >>>>>>>> be successful on projects other than Wikipedia; in their case I believe >>>>>>>> that their younger students are having success with Wiktionary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 4:44 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If we only think about WEP as writing a Wikipedia article as a >>>>>>>>> class assignment, then yes, the overriding qualification is writing >>>>>>>>> ability... same as for any other volunteer doing that work. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fortunately, there are other ways to participate... just like any >>>>>>>>> other Wikimedian. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think what it really comes down to is designing a >>>>>>>>> program/activities that meet the needs and strengths of students. We >>>>>>>>> saw a >>>>>>>>> long time ago that what works for the US and Canada does not >>>>>>>>> necessarily >>>>>>>>> work for other parts of the world. Even at the national level, a >>>>>>>>> single >>>>>>>>> model may not work. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At Tec de Monterrey, little of our activity is writing new >>>>>>>>> articles as part of coursework and there are various reasons for this >>>>>>>>> based >>>>>>>>> on our system and culture. Instead, we focus on students doing their >>>>>>>>> community service requirement (WP is a popular option for this) and >>>>>>>>> Semana >>>>>>>>> i (i Week) ... when students work on projects instead of going to >>>>>>>>> class. >>>>>>>>> We do translations, photography, video, audio and animation. (still >>>>>>>>> working >>>>>>>>> on convincing someone to look into hacking opportunities). These >>>>>>>>> activities >>>>>>>>> have worked very well for us so far, and we have excellent >>>>>>>>> contribution >>>>>>>>> stats. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 20:49:11 -0700 >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Wikimedia Education] Which kinds of students are >>>>>>>>> successful in education programs? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Education Program participants, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am wondering, for purposes of the "LearnWiki" video series, >>>>>>>>> which kinds of students tend to be successful in Wikipedia Education >>>>>>>>> Program courses. The impression I am getting is that age is less >>>>>>>>> important >>>>>>>>> than writing ability. I have heard that some middle school students >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> strong writing abilities can do well on Wikipedia, while 1st and 2nd >>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>> college students can struggle if their writing skills are weak. Would >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> agree with that assessment? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are there any "skill checks" that you would recommend educators do >>>>>>>>> with their students to make sure that they have the skills necessary >>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>> WEP course? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ Education mailing >>>>>>>>> list [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Education mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Education mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Education mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Education mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Education mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Education mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *בברכה,* >>> >>> >>> *שי כץ * >>> *רכזת הדרכה וחינוךויקימדיה ישראל* >>> >>> משרד: 077-3200796 | נייד: 054-4435834 >>> http://www.wikimedia.org.il >>> >>> [image: תמונה מוטבעת 3] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Education mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > -- *בברכה,* *שי כץ * *רכזת הדרכה וחינוךויקימדיה ישראל* משרד: 077-3200796 | נייד: 054-4435834 http://www.wikimedia.org.il [image: תמונה מוטבעת 3]
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