Yes, I would think that someone from Endian's staff would be constantly 
monitoring this, their community mailing list, and be able to quickly provide 
help or at least some basic answers.  Free is good, but free with absolutely no 
vendor support is not so helpful.  I certainly hope that the EFW community has 
helped them to shape their product offering, and has probably led more than a 
few commercial customers to their door.  Maybe they feel it's against their 
commercial judgment to help out their own community, but I feel it can only 
ultimately benefit them.

Anyone from Endian who could possibly chime in, give us a brief glimpse of 
light?

Shaun



-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Pye [mailto:bill....@phoenix-systems.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:33 PM
To: efw-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Efw-user] RES: Any word on the EFW 2.3?

----- "Steven Sher" <stev...@techtron.co.za> wrote:

> Only problem is Endian is rather expensive especially for countries
> with a weak exchange rates.  Endian don’t offer you many options. Like
> a cheap option for updates to the open source edition or other
> creative options.

Yes, that hurts when exchange are against you.
> 
> While we discussing Endian as a general rule they are extremely poor
> at communicating to the open source community who follow the product,
> version timelines are impossible to obtain, even feedback is extremely
> limited.  Features have supposedly been completed but not available to
> the open source community to test, which you would think would benefit
> them and their enterprise clients by more thorough testing?

I thoroughly agree. As I mentioned in an earlier post I thought that 
communication was going to improve after the posting from Chris Mair in the 
Announce list. Unfortunately it's gone quiet again with no indication of 
progress on the current release and no feedback on what's happening in general.
> 
> Anyway I love the product but I think their business philosophy is
> preventing them from growing. 

I'd also agree with that comment.

> Maybe somebody from Endian or somebody
> who knows more, can provide some real feedback?

We can but hope. :)

Regards

Bill


> 
> Looking forward to a positive response.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Marzke [mailto:l...@marzke.net] 
> Sent: 04 May 2009 07:25 PM
> To: efw-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Efw-user] RES: Any word on the EFW 2.3?
> 
> >it runs on an OS that doesn’t support upstream updates,
> 
> Actually, I believe that updates are included in Enterprise
> Maintenance.
> 
> Endian's business model is similar to RHES and SLES.  if you need
> updates , subscribe, and maybe with more subscriptions they can
> increase their development staff.
> 
> Lee
> 
> PS:
> http://www.endian.com/en/support/maintenance/
> [  Just as importantly, Endian maintenance includes all security
> updates to every Endian application so that you can keep the devices
> protecting your network safe from security vulnerabilities. ]
> 
> 
> compdoc wrote:
> > Efw has a few problems that way - it’s a nice firewall, but it seems
> few ppl are working on it, it runs on an OS that doesn’t support
> upstream updates, and it's even difficult to know what OS it actually
> is in terms of wanting to install drivers or utils. 
> >
> > Guess that might make it more secure, but it seems difficult for
> some ppl. If it runs as-is on your hardware, and has everything you
> need, it’s great...
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Pye [mailto:bill....@phoenix-systems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:13 AM
> > To: efw-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Efw-user] RES: Any word on the EFW 2.3?
> >
> > ----- "Marco Aurélio" <maure...@spin.com.br> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> And is there any estimate date for the launch of version 2.3?
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > I guess that might depend on how long it takes to fix the last 31%
> of bugs listed on the roadmap: http://bugs.endian.it/roadmap_page.php
> which (to my intrained eye) seems to slowly keep growing. 
> >
> > Perhaps somone from Endian could chime in with a more definite
> timeline for completion of that release.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
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