I think the posts from vendors in this list are useful.
It saves me time from having to chase that information around.
Besides vendors do not generally provide a lot of documentation
on new or advanced features, as is generally the case in this list.

Best regards

    Javier Borrajo
    www.tid.es

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Raber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: jueves 29 de julio de 1999 16:43
Subject: Re: SPAM ME NOT


>Dave,
>
>As one of the evil vendor community, I hear your message.
>
>Generally there are some quite valuable posts from vendors, and sometime
the
>specific features or architecture approaches in the various products are
>enlitening (God forbid, I find evenIBM's post of value, thanks Ian...).
>
>What we have promoted as a protocol is for vendors to bracket their self
>promotions in
>
><vendor>
>GemStone/J Rules!
></vendor>
>
>tags, that way you can quickly skip over this post if you find them
>disagreeable.
>
>This has been the informal protocol of this group ( and not all vendors
play
>nice ). Let us know if you have a better suggestion.
>
>Regards,
>
>-Chris.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Chris Raber, Director Professional Services, GemStone Systems Inc.
>100 West Big Beaver, Suite 200, Troy, MI 48084
>phone: (248)-680-6691, fax: (248)-680-6689,
>email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>web: http://www.gemstone.com/
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Wilkins (TT) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 7:00 AM
>> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject:      SPAM ME NOT
>>
>> I am in total agreement.  If this kind of BS is allowed - count me out.
>>
>> If this is the kind of behavior I can expect from a vendor, I don't want
>> to
>> business with them anyway.  I suggest that we all send messages of
disdain
>> to this company.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dave Wilkins
>> Trading Technologies, Inc
>> Evanston
>> 847 424 8844
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> www.tradingtechnologies.com <www.tradingtechnologies.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:   Whaley, Darwin T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> <mailto:[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]>
>> Sent:   Thursday, July 29, 1999 5:01 AM
>> To:     [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject:        Re: VEC 2.0 available - transparent persistence for
>> WebLogic
>> and WebSphere EJB applications
>>
>> I just joined this group a few days ago.  Is this kind of self promotion
>> tolerated?  I get enough email without being spammed through newsgroups.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:   Holger Antelmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> <mailto:[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]>
>> Sent:   Thursday, July 29, 1999 12:09 AM
>> To:     [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject:        ANN: VEC 2.0 available - transparent persistence for
>> WebLogic
>>         and WebSphere EJB applications
>>
>>
>> VERSANT Enterprise Container 2.0 now supports WebSphere 2.02 and
>> WebLogic 4.5
>> ---
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> (I hope you don't mind another 'shameless plug', but now it's too late,
>> here
>> it is)
>> Versant is pleased to announce the availability of the VERSANT Enterprise
>> Container 2.0 (VEC 2.0) - the integration of the leading Object Database
>> (VERSANT ODBMS) with the leading Application Servers.
>> VERSANT Enterprise Container 2.0 supports:
>> *       IBM WebSphere 2.02 Advanced Edition (NEW)
>> *       BEA WebLogic Server 4.5 beta
>>         and is bundled with:
>> *       VERSANT ODBMS 5.2.2
>> *       JVI 2.3.3
>>
>>         For a general description of VEC, please visit
>>         http://www.versant.com/us/products/ejb.html
>> <http://www.versant.com/us/products/ejb.html> .
>>
>> VERSANT Enterprise Container 2.0 is now available for download from our
>> website; please visit http://www.versant.com/download/
>> <http://www.versant.com/download/> .
>>
>> -------------
>> Why should you be interested?
>> If you
>> *       are interested in scaling EJBs
>> *       have a complex Java domain model that you need to persist
>> *       have selected a leading application server
>> *       want transparent object distribution in the middle-tier
>> *       are encountering performance and/or mapping problems with EJBs
>> *       persisting using JDBC, want a platform that supports direct
object
>> persistence to cache your data
>>
>> Then you should start using VERSANT ODBMS and integrate it into your
>> application server environment by using the VERSANT Enterprise Container.
>> -------------
>>
>> VEC 2.0 is now integrated with IBM WebSphere (announced in the press
>> release
>> at http://www.versant.com/us/company/copress37.html
>> <http://www.versant.com/us/company/copress37.html> )
>> VEC 2.0 has also upgraded its integration with BEA Weblogic Server 4.5
>> beta
>> and includes some significant improvements (thanks to VEC Release 1 users
>> who provided excellent feedback).
>> In addition, the following enhancements were made to VEC Release 1
>> (integration with BEA Weblogic Server Release 3.x):
>> *       Very simple build procedure
>> *       Improved support for Container Managed Entity Beans:
>>                 now the user has the flexibility to make the bean
>>                 itself persistent or map the bean to a persistent object
>> *       Memory management for VEC cache
>> *       VEC Session Manager allows for evolving schema.
>>
>> If you should have any questions about this announcement or the product
>> itself, please address them to me - thanks.
>> Thank you for your time,
>> Holger Antelmann
>> ______________________________________________
>> Holger Antelmann <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

>> Product Manager, Versant Corporation
>> 6539 Dumbarton Circle, Fremont, CA 94555, USA
>> tel 510.789.1607, fax 510.789.1515
>> http://www.versant.com <http://www.versant.com>
>>
>>
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