There are no perfect benchmarks whether the vendor(s) get involved or not.
No benchmark is to be taken as the "be-it-end-all", but is a useful piece of
information to use when trying to craft industrial-strength solutions for
clients that can handle the appropriate workload.
The value of the posted benchmarks I am afraid is being lost in this grand
licensing debate. When the benchmarks were posted and the representatives
of the vendors responded this was valuable information to me. I was hoping
the discussion was going to continue along those lines. But maybe I am in
the minority....
Andrew Sweet
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: EJB Server Comparison (WebLogic,
>OK, Tim, let's play by your rules for a minute.
>
>I develop on Windows. I have compared your jCVS 4.7 and wincvs.org's
WinCVS
>1.0.6 and found jCVS to be vastly inferior, and I'm cross-posting to
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] and comp.software.config-mgmt. I'm recommending WinCVS to
>everyone. I don't have a legal or ethical problem because both jCVS and
>WinCVS are distributed under the GNU Public License ("activities other than
>copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License;
they
>are outside its scope").
>
>Regards,
>Randy Stafford
>
>PS. I see at http://www.trustice.com/java/index.shtml that you have
>experience in "SmallTalk" - FYI, it's spelled Smalltalk.
>
>PPS. Your domain name implies that you want people to trust you, and yet
>you're openly announcing that you'll litigate the validity of software
>licenses?
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Endres [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 12:11 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: EJB Server Comparison (WebLogic,
>>
>> WebSphere,NetDynamics,GemS tone)
>> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>
>> > Tim Endres wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I would ignore their license and force them to sue me.
>> > >
>> >
>> > This has been said more than once, and strikes me
>> > as absolutely wrong.
>> >
>> > It's perfectly okay for vendors to restrict the testing
>> > of their product. Rather idiotic, imho, because it then
>> > leads to the sort of unprovable back-room whispers that
>> > only benefit the least-honest vendor.
>>
>> And the argument that this is only to protect the vendor
>> doesn't cut it. If they wish to protect their product,
>> they can publish their own "tweaked" results, with the
>> appropriate disclaimer. Or they can join forces to fund
>> an objective third party to compare all products on an
>> equal playing field, as one poster already suggested.
>>
>> > But, nonetheless, a particular vendor may see things
>> > differently and is perfectly within their rights to do
>> > so.
>> >
>> > And, if you sign a license that promises not to do
>> > something, well, you ought not to do it.
>> >
>> > That's pretty straightforward, isn't it ? Entering an
>> > agreement knowing that you intend to violate it is
>> > not entirely ethical behavior.
>>
>> Depends on whether I believe that the license is legally
>> founded and will hold up in court. Such a license as was
>> intimated in this case would not hold up. No more than a
>> license that said I couldn't post to the Internet giving
>> my opinion of the product!
>>
>> tim.
>> Tim Endres [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> ICE Engineering, Inc. http://www.trustice.com/
>> "USENET - a slow moving self parody." - Peter Honeyman
>>
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