> Or simply people building applications on this platform.
The "clients" in my statement "Vendors, their clients, and the money they
generate" refers exactly to these people, people like me! ;-)
I must admit I'm slightly economically biased. Sure I'm intellectually
stimulated in pursuing these grand-scale, academically challenging
architectures and designs, but the bottom line is still the bottom line. I
thanked Microsoft when I used to develop in VC. I thank Sun when I switched
over to Java (and got a nice big bump in salary). And now I thank BEA for
producing a pretty kickass platform for me to make a living on. My
allegiance is not to any particular vendor, but the one that produces the
best product that helps me in my profession.
BEA may have the largest market share right now (hence the glut of wl
related posts), but IBM and Borland is nipping at its heals and mavericks
like jBoss, enHydra and Orion are keeping the leaders straight, if not
nervous. I see many parallels between the current app server market and the
web browser market 5 years ago, where Netscape=BEA and Microsoft=IBM (and
Mosaic=jBoss?). Netscape had the early market lead and technological
advantage, but Microsoft soon overwhelmed it with its huge capital
reserve... Will we see a repeat here? Only time will tell!
And its this intense competition above that's driving this newsgroup: I
welcome all posts from all vendors and clients!
Gene
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Christopherson
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: EJB-INTEREST makes NO SENSE anymore !!!!!
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Gene Chuang wrote:
> > Or, how about having a script that grep's for
> weblogic|websphere|jboss|.... and automatically deletes it instead of
> posting it out ;)
>
> Then none of us would have seen your post, nor my reply! ;-)
>
> There's nothing wrong with a little vendor-specific issues every once in a
> while. Vendors, their clients, and the money they generate drive the
> technology (EJB, Java, etc), not the other way around. If there was no
> commercial value in EJB, the only people subscribing to this list would be
> academia and VERY BORED people! :-)
Or simply people building applications on this platform. How much
revenue do you think telkel (or anyone involved) is making from jBoss,
yet it's a very cool container. If nobody wanted to build applications,
there'd be no market for the vendors to sell to. I really don't see much
true academic interest in EJB, but that might just be because I've never
had much interest in academics: I mostly like to make machines to the
things I want them to.
I partly agree with your point, although I really don't want to see vendor
specific _issues_, I don't mind seeing vendors talk about how their
product approaches things.
>
> Gene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dion Almaer
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: EJB-INTEREST makes NO SENSE anymore !!!!!
>
>
> Ideally it seems like we need a moderator :0
> I doubt many people would like that job, but it will allow all the crap
> to be rejected.
> Or, how about having a script that grep's for
weblogic|websphere|jboss|....
> and automatically deletes it instead of posting it out ;)
>
> Dion
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Walters
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:23 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: EJB-INTEREST makes NO SENSE anymore !!!!!
>
>
> I agree! This "Where can I find the Weblogic docs, they r not in the
> EJB-Interest archives?" and "Can u dploy an entity bean on Websphere?"
stuff
> doesn't do a whole lot for me either. Read the manuals folks, oddly
enough
> the vendors have them on THEIR websites!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nail A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:57 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: EJB-INTEREST makes NO SENSE anymore !!!!!
>
>
> Well, i thought good about this decision, but i don´t see a better
> way:
>
> I have to leave EJB-INTEREST
>
> This mailing-list is unfortunately on the best way, to become a
> mailing list only for Bea´s WebLogic (a very good AS), it´s friends
> (& everyone knows, whom i mean) & other VENDOR AS.
> I think & know, that it is not the intention of the mailing list, to
> distribute vendor-specific stuff.
>
> Most of the subscribed developers in EJB-INTEREST don´t want to
> read or receive vendor specific questions. A lot mailings & petition´s
> not
> to send VENDOR specific stuff to EJB-INTEREST haven´t helped.
>
> I´m not a secretary for deleting this stuff & i don´t have the time, to
> read every vendor specific question; nobody have this time for it.
>
> EJB-INTEREST lost quality.
>
> regards
> Nail
>
>
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