I don't welcom posts that ask how to do things in a particular
product. This is quite simply the wrong venue. If a question is asked in
an appropriate venue, I may even be the one who answers, but this is
EJB-INTERST, not WebLogic-Support, nor WebSphere-Info, nor jboss-user.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Gene Chuang wrote:
> > Or simply people building applications on this platform.
>
> The "clients" in my statement "Vendors, their clients, and the money they
> generate" refers exactly to these people, people like me! ;-)
>
> I must admit I'm slightly economically biased. Sure I'm intellectually
> stimulated in pursuing these grand-scale, academically challenging
> architectures and designs, but the bottom line is still the bottom line. I
> thanked Microsoft when I used to develop in VC. I thank Sun when I switched
> over to Java (and got a nice big bump in salary). And now I thank BEA for
> producing a pretty kickass platform for me to make a living on. My
> allegiance is not to any particular vendor, but the one that produces the
> best product that helps me in my profession.
>
> BEA may have the largest market share right now (hence the glut of wl
> related posts), but IBM and Borland is nipping at its heals and mavericks
> like jBoss, enHydra and Orion are keeping the leaders straight, if not
> nervous. I see many parallels between the current app server market and the
> web browser market 5 years ago, where Netscape=BEA and Microsoft=IBM (and
> Mosaic=jBoss?). Netscape had the early market lead and technological
> advantage, but Microsoft soon overwhelmed it with its huge capital
> reserve... Will we see a repeat here? Only time will tell!
>
> And its this intense competition above that's driving this newsgroup: I
> welcome all posts from all vendors and clients!
>
> Gene
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Christopherson
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: EJB-INTEREST makes NO SENSE anymore !!!!!
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Gene Chuang wrote:
>
> > > Or, how about having a script that grep's for
> > weblogic|websphere|jboss|.... and automatically deletes it instead of
> > posting it out ;)
> >
> > Then none of us would have seen your post, nor my reply! ;-)
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with a little vendor-specific issues every once in a
> > while. Vendors, their clients, and the money they generate drive the
> > technology (EJB, Java, etc), not the other way around. If there was no
> > commercial value in EJB, the only people subscribing to this list would be
> > academia and VERY BORED people! :-)
> Or simply people building applications on this platform. How much
> revenue do you think telkel (or anyone involved) is making from jBoss,
> yet it's a very cool container. If nobody wanted to build applications,
> there'd be no market for the vendors to sell to. I really don't see much
> true academic interest in EJB, but that might just be because I've never
> had much interest in academics: I mostly like to make machines to the
> things I want them to.
>
> I partly agree with your point, although I really don't want to see vendor
> specific _issues_, I don't mind seeing vendors talk about how their
> product approaches things.
>
> >
> > Gene
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dion Almaer
> > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:30 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: EJB-INTEREST makes NO SENSE anymore !!!!!
> >
> >
> > Ideally it seems like we need a moderator :0
> > I doubt many people would like that job, but it will allow all the crap
> > to be rejected.
> > Or, how about having a script that grep's for
> weblogic|websphere|jboss|....
> > and automatically deletes it instead of posting it out ;)
> >
> > Dion
> >
> > _____________________________________________________________
> > Dion Almaer | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | voice: 720.304.3244
> > CustomWare | http://www.customware.com | fax: 360.242.0671
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Walters
> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:23 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: EJB-INTEREST makes NO SENSE anymore !!!!!
> >
> >
> > I agree! This "Where can I find the Weblogic docs, they r not in the
> > EJB-Interest archives?" and "Can u dploy an entity bean on Websphere?"
> stuff
> > doesn't do a whole lot for me either. Read the manuals folks, oddly
> enough
> > the vendors have them on THEIR websites!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nail A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:57 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: EJB-INTEREST makes NO SENSE anymore !!!!!
> >
> >
> > Well, i thought good about this decision, but i don�t see a better
> > way:
> >
> > I have to leave EJB-INTEREST
> >
> > This mailing-list is unfortunately on the best way, to become a
> > mailing list only for Bea�s WebLogic (a very good AS), it�s friends
> > (& everyone knows, whom i mean) & other VENDOR AS.
> > I think & know, that it is not the intention of the mailing list, to
> > distribute vendor-specific stuff.
> >
> > Most of the subscribed developers in EJB-INTEREST don�t want to
> > read or receive vendor specific questions. A lot mailings & petition�s
> > not
> > to send VENDOR specific stuff to EJB-INTEREST haven�t helped.
> >
> > I�m not a secretary for deleting this stuff & i don�t have the time, to
> > read every vendor specific question; nobody have this time for it.
> >
> > EJB-INTEREST lost quality.
> >
> > regards
> > Nail
> >
> >
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