Oh! I didn't see that. Thank you. I will look again.

Yeah I actually like many things about discourse. I also like many of the
low friction aspects of a mailing list. I am worried my email sounds too
negative. I should list positives like great markdown support and much
prettier and more legible emails. Discourse is phenomenal forum software. I
honestly hope they can really bridge the gap effortlessly to have as part
of their capabilities truly effortless implementation of a dev mailing list
with an optional forum view.

I'm sure I'll be using discourse to great effect (and it seems to be being
used). So I could be completly wrong about all my points. :)

Doug

On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic <i...@brusic.com> wrote:

> I should have added something similar to what does expressed in his last
> paragraph. My feedback was meant to be constructive. Despite this being a
> technical mailing list, I still appreciate a more personal touch.
>
> BTW, Doug, you can watch specific categories. There is a general watch-all
> setting that you might have turned on.
>
> Ivan
> On May 10, 2015 2:37 PM, "Doug Turnbull" <
> dturnb...@opensourceconnections.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dturnb...@opensourceconnections.com');>>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree.
>>
>> While I appreciate the experimentation, I hope discourse can get to a
>> point where I can forget it's even a forum. Whereby everything can just
>> truly feel like a native mailing list with a great deal less friction, but
>> it's not there yet.
>>
>> Here's some of the missing features:
>>
>> - a signup process that's more an email subscription (just paste in an
>> email address) without having to create any kind of forum account or
>> profile.
>>
>> - the ability to reply to someone individually to their email address.
>> The ability for others to email me directly without discourses PM feature.
>>
>> - It needs the ability to subscribe per topic. Things are a bit noisy
>> right now (ie I'm not interested in log stash)
>>
>> - eliminate "noreply" in the email notifications. I don't feel like I
>> should participate via email when I see this. Give it a friendly name.
>>
>> Right now use via email feels second class. But I think it's the most
>> important thing. I'm likely to scan my low priority inbox where mailing
>> list emails are sent. I'm going to struggle to remember to check in on and
>> participate in a forum to help folks. It's another place to go and all my
>> other OSS mailing lists come to my email and I can work with them
>> seemlessly. So I'm likely to forget to check or possibly not want to bother
>> with elastic which uses a different system.
>>
>> Yes, I do get the notifications, but it doesn't quite feel the same as a
>> mailing list for the reasons above. It feels like a notification from
>> another system.
>>
>> Anyway long and frank email. Forgive the bluntness. I just wanted to
>> express hopefully useful feedback. I do appreciate the thoughtfulness
>> here. I know elastic and discourse folks are very smart. Email truly can
>> become a first class experience and keep some of the great things about
>> discourse.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Ivan Brusic <i...@brusic.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','i...@brusic.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> I really do not care for the new mailing list.
>>>
>>> First of all, I can no longer see real names and email addresses. All I
>>> see is whatever nonsensical handle someone choose on sign up. Searching for
>>> Adrien no longer returns his latest posts.
>>>
>>> Second, since every email comes from nore...@discuss.elastic.co, I can
>>> no longer see who replied to a thread. All I see is the handle of the
>>> original poster. I can see the reply counts, but have no idea who the
>>> replies are from.
>>>
>>> Add both of these issues together, and the list has now become very
>>> impersonal.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ivan
>>>  On May 5, 2015 10:49 AM, "Leslie Hawthorn" <leslie.hawth...@elastic.co>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sadly, we cannot twibble bit to allow certain types of links but not
>>>> others.
>>>>
>>>> However, we can adjust the forum settings to allow users to include
>>>> links in their posts from the start of using the forum. I've done so. Let
>>>> us know if you have any further issues.
>>>>
>>>> And, to reiterate what Tyler said earlier, it would be super awesome to
>>>> put this feedback in the Meta Elastic category.[0]
>>>>
>>>> Why you may ask?
>>>>
>>>> 1) Employees from Discourse are keeping an eye on our forum to help us
>>>> help you have a good experience. They're not reading this list, though.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Trying for the single source of truth mentioned in my original post.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you to everyone for the great feedback so far!
>>>>
>>>> [0] - https://discuss.elastic.co/c/meta or via email discuss+meta [at]
>>>> elastic [dot] co
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> LH
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Nikolas Everett <nik9...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think github and pastebins/gists shouldn't be considered against the
>>>>> limit. We ask people to use gist all the time and github issue or code
>>>>> links are a good thing to use as well.
>>>>> On May 4, 2015 5:40 PM, "joergpra...@gmail.com" <joergpra...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Shaunak,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate that. I think it would be more than welcome to let
>>>>>> others of the community also take the advantage of including Github 
>>>>>> issues
>>>>>> into the forum software which contain numerous links:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://discuss.elastic.co/t/link-level-in-a-post/151
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jörg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:05 PM, <shau...@elastic.co> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Jörg,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've removed this restriction from your account. You should be able
>>>>>>> to post more than 2 links in a post now :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shaunak
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 2:07:14 PM UTC-5, Jörg Prante wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It does not work. I can not post messages with links.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After I try to post a new topic such as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- snip----
>>>>>>>> To all of you who want to sneak at the features planned for ES 2.0,
>>>>>>>> this issue collects some of it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch/issues/9970
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jörg
>>>>>>>> ----snip----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I receive a denial
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Sorry, new users can only put 2 links in a post."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beside the fact I included just one link, why this restriction? A
>>>>>>>> bit sad that I am considered a new user after five years happily using 
>>>>>>>> ES
>>>>>>>> but the machine is always right in the end ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jörg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Leslie Hawthorn <
>>>>>>>> leslie....@elastic.co> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Nikolas Everett <nik...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suspect its read only while they sort out resourcing issues.
>>>>>>>>>> Cache hit rate is likely quite high while readonly.
>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2015 12:38 PM, Jürgen Wagner (DVT) <
>>>>>>>>>> juergen...@devoteam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The site is read-only. No signups possible. Hmm...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our friends at Discourse have reported that the site outage has
>>>>>>>>> been resolved. They'll keep up with updates via their Twitter account:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/discourse/status/595268564493279232
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the meantime, please go forth and use the forums. If they fall
>>>>>>>>> over again we will work to ensure speedy resolution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your patience, folks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> LH
>>>>>>>>>
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