"My time IS valuable. I do offer my time to help fellow hams, but for those
who want to block me, I
will not go to extra measures to provide that assistance."
I am onboard with this philosophy as well. My company provides
webhosting/email and I can say from experience (and lots of research on our
end) there are much better solutions than the authentication spam programs.
73,
Rich
kd0zv
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Wilhelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Simple-minded SPAM filters vs. list participation
Craig,
Sorry, but I beg to differ with you. If someone asks me for my help, I do
not expect to fill out any forms to provide that assistance - and I will
not.
There are many very good and effective spam filters out there - I use
Spambayes, and after a very short period of training, I have no false
positives and all but a very few unsolicited emails are properly
classified
as Junk.
To block all that are not whitelisted is more cumbersome than using a good
spam filter, and reviewing the 'authentication' list takes much more time
than training a good filter. The authentication process takes time on
both
ends.
Note that I have replied to the list only because I expect I would be
'authorize requested' if I replied in a personal note - and I will NOT
fill
out the 'form'.
Yes, each of us is the president of our personal 'company', and since we
do
not have a staff to do this task for us, it does take a lot of undue time.
I may be retired, but I am certainly not idle!!! My time IS valuable. I
do
offer my time to help fellow hams, but for those who want to block me, I
will not go to extra measures to provide that assistance.
73,
Don W3FPR
-----Original Message-----
> Please...if you are requesting help, don't insult me by
> expecting me to jump through these idiotic processes
> that say, in effect, that your time is more valuable
> than mine.
I'm normally one who doesn't put up with a lot of crap. I just got a call
from a company asking me to make sure I've submitted my proxy for the
upcoming shareholders meeting. Did you send me the proxy
announcement in the
mail? Did it give me three different ways to state my preferences (mail,
Web, and phone)? Is one of my options to withhold my vote? Then
why are you
calling me? -- that kind of thing.
However, your logic in this post is self-defeating. By refusing to go
through the process of being whitelisted, you are saying, in effect, that
your time is more valuable than the person to whom you sent the
email -- the
same accusation you make of him or her.
Under normal circumstances these systems are harmless as long as they're
working properly. Everyone to whom you send an email should be
automatically
added to the whitelist so their response is not blocked. Everyone
who sends
an uninvited email is temporarily blocked. In that case the
sender obviously
wants their email to go through, so filling out a form to make it
happen is
not a problem.
When replying privately to a post on a list like this one, there's no way
you can expect the original sender can pre-approve all list
members. So when
you choose to reply privately I don't see why it makes sense to complain
about having to go through the authentication step. Are you
really trying to
help a person or is this spirit of helpfulness just a thin veneer over an
otherwise cold, dark heart? The latter seems likely if all it takes to
discourage you from helping is an email asking you to authenticate your
identity. (By the way I'm replying to someone who replied to the original
sender, whose message I missed, so I'm not picking on anyone in
particular
here.)
In my position as president of my company I get a lot of unsolicited
email
from customers. In many cases I'm sure if we did the math, my
time really IS
more valuable than theirs. I like to think that I'm above lording
that over
them, however, and have no problem doing a little vision test and
filling in
the numbers on an authentication form.
Craig
NZ0R
K1 #1966
K2/100 #4941
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