Not true, Jorge! I have used it mobile, at conventions, and many radio club demos.
Don't forget about the Android client for RRC (Nano) (they need a new one, but old one works). If you have your station fully automated as far as band switching, the NANO client works perfectly on your phone. I understand what you are asking for -- and it will come! 73, Gerry W1VE / VE1RM On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:26 PM Jorge Diez - CX6VM <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Gerry > > Elecraft + remoterig works very good. > > I think once´s VY1AAA setup was ready, you left it there for all this > years. > > I am thinking about the case i need to travel every week, 3 days a week, > and i want to take my remote solution with me. > > Something easiest to connect and get ready will be grate for this cases > > 73, > Jorge > > El jue., 7 mar. 2019 a las 13:45, Gerry Hull (<[email protected]>) escribió: > >> I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the >> K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini. >> >> One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for >> Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after >> week once it has >> been configured properly. >> >> Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is >> comparing Apples to Oranges. I would hold Flex to an even higher >> standard: It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft + >> RemoteRig stuff was on the market. >> >> Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have >> a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel >> and >> radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream). >> >> So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which >> is growing rapidly. I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their >> hands >> regarding remote. >> >> I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New >> Hampshire. The remote end is simple DSL. The technology rocks. >> Packaging is the result of multiple vendors. >> >> 73, >> >> Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM >> Trustee, VY1AAA >> Hancock, NH >> >> Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA >> Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops >> [email protected] ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me) >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Fred: >> > >> > >> > > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ >> or >> > > K4) is really needed. The remoterig is relatively difficult and old >> > tech. >> > > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed. >> > >> > >> > I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 >> > through Maestro remotely. Both approaches have their advantages and >> > disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges. >> > >> > The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external >> > boxes, cabling, and settings. However, once up and running it is very >> good >> > and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for >> > radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 >> > station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max >> > upload of 1.2 MBps. In most cases, it is 768 Mbps. In addition, it is >> a >> > ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the >> > connection is directly between the remote and the K3. I am not >> dependent >> > upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections. >> However, >> > this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and >> KAT500. >> > >> > The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I >> use >> > a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an >> Orion >> > Rotor). Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would >> take >> > uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the >> KAT500 >> > which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely. I’ve done >> > this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because >> it >> > requires a PC to run it. I hope at some point that Remote Rig would >> > upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any >> web-capable >> > device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.). >> > >> > Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since >> September >> > 2014 without problems. I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different >> > locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham >> > station on site. >> > >> > The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and >> of >> > course it has a remote panadapter capabiity. But it has taken Flex over >> > five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost >> > and requires greater upload bandwidth. SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in >> 2017 >> > which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at >> the >> > shack. Flex’s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to >> > establish a secure link, a license fee if you’re upgrading from Version >> 1 >> > to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR. >> Flex >> > Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely. The >> PGXL >> > amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running >> > SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site. However, the “Tuner >> Genius” >> > that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I’m >> limited >> > to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need >> to >> > use a tuner with it. I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the >> > Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the >> > past so it works more reliably in “Low Bandwidth" mode. I also keep a >> > Maestro in both Texas and New England. >> > >> > Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does >> > provide some advantages: >> > >> > -Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the >> other >> > to use as a backup. >> > >> > -Flexibility. I like to ‘listen’ so much of my time is spent listening >> or >> > participating on nets. The K3 setup works well since I’m not >> particularly >> > “hunting” for signals where a panadapter would be useful. Simply turn >> on >> > the K3 and I’m on the last frequency I was tuned or I can enter the >> > frequency of interest. I have the tuner and amplifier as needed, and >> 500W >> > is usually more than sufficient for my needs. The Flex is more >> helpful >> > if I’m searching the bands with a panadapter/waterfall, but the PGXL is >> > only helpful on 10-15-20 where I have a yagi and don’t need to a tuner >> > capable of handling the PGXL. Due to bandwidth issues, the Flex system >> > does sometime ‘hiccup’ due to missed packets though this happens a lot >> less >> > than previously. >> > >> > -Space. I spend 90% of my operating time running remote. At my >> locations >> > in Texas and New England I have the Maestro and K3/0-Mini sitting on my >> 30” >> > x 60’ office desk by the 27” Apple Display with West Mountain Radio >> > external speakers that can be used with either system. The Remote Rig >> > equipment, cabling, network ethernet switch, 120 VAC surge protected hub >> > that powers the Remote Rig equipment, network switch, Maestro, Speakers, >> > K3/0-Mini are either sitting on the floor or held in place with cable >> ties >> > attached around the desk legs, out-of-the-way and out-of-sight. Of >> course, >> > the ham shack itself in Georgia is a different matter given the amount >> of >> > equipment installed, but the operating position has the real estate to >> > handle it. (approximately 12 ft. x 30” of desk space). >> > >> > -Equipment Complexity: The K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig RRC-1258 are >> > relatively simple devices. I’ve not had any issues with these devices >> and >> > while there have been firmware upgrades they are few and not necessarily >> > required. The Maestro is a much more complex piece of equipment which >> is >> > essentially a device with built-in tablet that takes significant time to >> > boot up and has firmware that controls the various knobs and indications >> > and of course communicates with the Flex server to establish a >> connection >> > to my Flex-6700. Any update to SmartSDR (the most recent was last >> December >> > 2018 to v2.49 while Flex has announced that v3.0 will be available in >> March >> > 2019) requires an update to the Flex-6700 and Maestro. This can be done >> > remotely, but it also reflects the greater complexity of the system. >> > >> > My original Maestro (purchased new in 2017) has been recalled once at no >> > charge and sent back once for non-warranty repairs. >> > >> > -Isolation. Running remote reduces the potential for surge issues where >> > I’m actually operating as there are no external antennas. >> > >> > At the ham shack in Southeast Georgia, I have the K3 equipment >> physically >> > separate from the Flex Equipment going through separate ethernet >> switches >> > and isolated with Fiber Optic Converters for CAT5 connections to help >> > reduce the probability of surge problems or a ethernet switch failure >> in >> > the shack taking down both systems. RF connection of both systems to the >> > antennas and dummy load is thorough an Antenna Genius which provides >> high >> > isolation between antenna ports. The DSL modem and separate router are >> in >> > the house while the ham shack itself is located in an air conditioned >> room >> > located in the detached garage. I run a fiber optic cable between the >> > house and ham shack to further isolate the network equipment in the >> house >> > from the shack. >> > >> > Bottom line is that I like both systems and each system offers >> > capabilities that the other does not have. Given that I’m over 1,100 >> miles >> > from the ham shack most of the time, I’ve benefited from redundancy >> because >> > things can go wrong and cannot be fixed until my next trip to southeast >> > Georgia. Over the past year I’ve had issues with one or the other system >> > but usually the other system is still up and running. >> > >> > From the user’s perspective, I do suggest that one needs to to carefully >> > consider how exactly they will operate their system and what level of >> > investment ($$$, sweat equity, real estate) they’re wiling or able to >> put >> > into a remote system. Flex’s approach is certainly successful, but it >> is a >> > complex and more expensive system that has taken many more years to >> develop >> > than what Flex initially announced. Electraft’s approach is ’simpler’ >> in >> > terms of making it possible to operate remotely, but it does appear >> > relatively ‘kludgy’ given that it could certainly be streamlined if they >> > thought it is worth the time and effort. If one is focused on ’pickup >> > and go’ remote operation, the Flex Maestro (or SmartSDR on a laptop or >> > SmartSDR for iOS on an Apple iPad) is certainly easier to manage than >> > taking the K3/0-Mini with remote Rig setup. i have transported both the >> > Maestro and K3/0-Mini w/Remote Rig in their respective Pelican Cases >> > between locations before so I appreciate the steps needed to take down >> and >> > setup this equipment. I later purchased used K3/O-Mini and Maestro >> devices >> > to eliminate the need to transport (and take up space in my vehicle) >> > between Texas (Fall/Winter) and New England (Spring/Summer) when cargo >> > space is at a premium when transporting the XYL, family dog and the >> > clothing and other items needed at the other QTH. >> > >> > >> > FWIW, >> > >> > Barry Baines, WD4ASW >> > (Keller, TX) >> > >> > >> > >> > > 73, >> > > Fred >> > > AE4ED >> > > >> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM < >> > [email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> Hello >> > >> >> > >> any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini >> with >> > >> remoterig integrated inside it? >> > >> >> > >> Maybe for Dayton will have it? >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> 73, >> > >> Jorge >> > >> CX6VM/CW5W >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > >> Elecraft mailing list >> > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> > >> >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ >> > > Elecraft mailing list >> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > > Post: mailto:[email protected] >> > > >> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:[email protected] >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
