Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your
tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing
your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out
on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones,
the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to
use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless
of a correct set up for the PTT, or not.
73,
Barry
K3NDM
------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter Dougherty" <[email protected]>
To: "Barry" <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY.
Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page,
mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct
mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly,
so RX is working fine.
Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder,
CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just
RTTY (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not
that I will ever use that mode).
I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I
went through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be
set correctly.
- pjd
From: Barry <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM
To: Peter Dougherty <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the
level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital
mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice
DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow
down the receive bandwidth.
Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham
Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just
using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is
developed and a level of comfort is built.
I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get
serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared
to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower,
rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for
digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC.
73,
Barry
K3NDM
------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter Dougherty" <[email protected]>
To: "Barry" <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it
definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of
software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II.
I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented
everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild
pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of
settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have
screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a
one-off…provided I keep the K3!
RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and
the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll
be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now!
- pjd
From: Barry <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM
To: Peter Dougherty <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
Peter,
For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever
you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I
use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for
contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others.
With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s
making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of
letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB
CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting
the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over
this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot
to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your
transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending.
I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but
you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then
they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if
I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use
FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup
should be more straight forward.
If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really
shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play.
Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't
function before about noon EDT.
73,
Barry
K3NDM
------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter Dougherty" <[email protected]>
To: "Barry" <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to
get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I
mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t
(and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do
unless there is no way around it.
When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY
filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and
it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have
something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the
twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY
mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.
Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s
compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3
nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m
almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via
WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just
won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it
isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are!
- pjd
From: Barry <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
To: Peter Dougherty <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
Peter,
I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when
using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use
the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The
set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the
radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI
just because.
The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage
over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data
mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the
output of some digital software into the radio and use any available
bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has
a filter for each tone.
I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would
estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)
As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of
trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using
the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio
in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and
speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for
control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic
control on the front of the radio to set the level for the
transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The
power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This
should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is
set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun!
73,
Barry
K3NDM
.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter Dougherty" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I
should set
my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler
exclusively (I
don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I
have
the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had
a
MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt
I'll be
doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just
in case.
Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for
RTTY, just
LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built
into the
K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using
data
mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the
radio
using Data mode for FT8.
Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the
right
settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as
always.
----------------------------------------------------
Regards,
Peter Dougherty
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