My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander, so you need both of those up together. I have tried this approach too, without success.
With Barry's help earlier tonight I managed to get the K3s working in AFSK-A mode and successfully able to send and receive conventional 45 Baud RTTY through FLDIGI and N1MM Logger Plus, so we can positively rule out audio issues or transceiver issues, menu setup, etc. So "progress" maybe? - pjd -----Original Message----- From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcg...@blomand.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:17 PM To: Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> Cc: Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the next application. When each will run correct then and only bring in the integration application. CAT control should not need the VOX activated. Using VOX is just another audio level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you do > that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm > suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the > radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out > of ideas at the moment. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Peter Dougherty" <li...@w2irt.net> > To: "Barry" <barrylaz...@gmail.com>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM > Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > >> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in >> PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying >> files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit. >> >> What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into >> AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set up in the >> configurator. >> >> >> >> - pjd >> >> >> >> From: Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM >> To: Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >> Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones >> are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones >> to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC >> SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn >> your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function >> for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for >> the PTT, or not. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Barry >> >> K3NDM >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Peter Dougherty" <li...@w2irt.net> >> >> To: "Barry" <barrylaz...@gmail.com>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM >> >> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. >> >> >> >>> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode >>> selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode >>> (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is >>> working fine. >>> >>> Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW >>> and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY >>> (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will >>> ever use that mode). >>> >>> I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went >>> through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set >>> correctly. >>> >>> - pjd >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >>> To: Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level >>> of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The >>> only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of >>> course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the >>> receive bandwidth. >>> >>> >>> >>> Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio >>> Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a >>> simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and >>> a level of comfort is built. >>> >>> >>> >>> I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, >>> less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, >>> just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I >>> do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for >>> 5BDXCC. >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> K3NDM >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <li...@w2irt.net> >>> >>> To: "Barry" <barrylaz...@gmail.com>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM >>> >>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>> I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it >>>> definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. Or >>>> at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some >>>> doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then >>>> so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a >>>> wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, >>>> once this is all settled I’ll have screenshot of each setting page so this >>>> will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided I keep the K3! >>>> >>>> RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the >>>> sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I >>>> have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now! >>>> >>>> >>>> - pjd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>>> To: Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter, >>>> >>>> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you >>>> are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI >>>> for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I >>>> doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software >>>> there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up >>>> easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software >>>> know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the >>>> radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set >>>> levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and >>>> mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your >>>> VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when >>>> you're finished sending. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you >>>> need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they >>>> must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am >>>> correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, >>>> MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more >>>> straight forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really >>>> shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact >>>> me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function >>>> before about noon EDT. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> K3NDM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <li...@w2irt.net> >>>> >>>> To: "Barry" <barrylaz...@gmail.com>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get >>>>> it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in >>>>> my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) >>>>> understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way >>>>> around it. >>>>> >>>>> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering >>>>> came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked >>>>> with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar >>>>> using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall >>>>> filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just >>>>> puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it. >>>>> >>>>> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s >>>>> compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 >>>>> nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no >>>>> further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler >>>>> and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me >>>>> so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet >>>>> here we are! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - pjd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Barry <barrylaz...@gmail.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>>> To: Peter Dougherty <li...@w2irt.net>; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter, >>>>> >>>>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using >>>>> RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK >>>>> mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up >>>>> should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built >>>>> in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over >>>>> running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you >>>>> call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some >>>>> digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also >>>>> turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>>>> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. >>>>> Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB >>>>> connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. >>>>> Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The >>>>> radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at >>>>> 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the >>>>> radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars >>>>> and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that >>>>> controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All >>>>> you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Barry >>>>> >>>>> K3NDM >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <li...@w2irt.net> >>>>> >>>>> To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>>>> should set >>>>>> >>>>>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>>>> exclusively (I >>>>>> >>>>>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with >>>>>> N1MM). I have >>>>>> >>>>>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I >>>>>> had a >>>>>> >>>>>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt >>>>>> I'll be >>>>>> >>>>>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in >>>>>> case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for >>>>>> RTTY, just >>>>>> >>>>>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode >>>>>> built into the >>>>>> >>>>>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only >>>>>> using data >>>>>> >>>>>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have >>>>>> the radio >>>>>> >>>>>> using Data mode for FT8. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find >>>>>> the right >>>>>> >>>>>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as >>>>>> always. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Dougherty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help support this email list: >>>>>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
