I concur. There have been some great RTTY ops at times, but more Dxpeditions had it as an afterthought and it showed in their rates. I've always hated RTTY pileups as a DXer. You need to have two active windows and a lot of luck finding the 599 on the second one, especially in a lidfest where nobody stops sending when the DX calls someone.
I'm currently sitting at 329 worked in digital, every one of them was on RTTY (including deleteds; 327 without). Included in there were some truly hellacious pileups 15-30 kHz wide. While I still enjoy the mode for simplex DXing or a simple "up 3", for high-demand DXpeditions I am grudgingly accepting that FT8 F/H is the way of the future, and will make a lot of DXers happy down the line. With Bouvet slated for FT8 as the sole digital mode, I'm hoping somehow to get another 4 more that I still need the old way, then I can hang the diddle up for good. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 9:01 PM To: Elecraft <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Legacy = Low Latency: FSK-D mode The issue is simply that DXPeditions mostly don't recruit quality RTTY operators. A quality/experienced operator with proper software (GRITTY and/or a "broadband"/multi-channel decoder) can run rates comparable with CW or SSB. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2019-03-22 8:45 PM, Wes wrote: > I know about FT8 DXPedition mode. I have used it a couple of times > just for the hell of it but I never claim DXCC credit for FT8 > contacts. I also know that 14080 isn't one of the "recommended" frequencies > for FT8. > > I would argue about the efficacy compared to CW. I know it reports > all of those negative SNRs but they are bogus. As to rates, when my > friend Ned, AA7A, was operating RTTY from S. Georgia and S. Sandwich > he was knocking them dead. On 15 meters VP8SGI made almost the same > number of RTTY contacts as SSB contacts. They only operated RTTY on > three bands yet about 10% of their total Qs were RTTY. > > Wes N7WS > > > On 3/22/2019 4:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On 3/22/2019 3:29 PM, Wes wrote: >>> DXCC certificate that actually says "RTTY" on it. Today it's harder >>> to find new ones, but I have 254 confirmed now with my modest station. >> >> Congrats on that. I too am quite happy with AFSK. >> >>> >>> It's great fun and even though it's a "digital" mode, operator skill >>> still makes a difference. >> >> Yep. RTTY contesting can be a lot of fun, especially with SO2R. A >> couple of guys in our contest club, WK6I and W0YK, win RTTY contests >> running three radios. And operator skill also matters with FT8, even >> though it's also possible to make QSOs with minimal operator involvement. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I heard one of the current DXpeditions plopped on >>> 14.080 using the abysmal FT8 >> >> That's because 1) RTTY is very difficult for the DXpedition operator >> in a pileup, making for slow QSO rates; 2) the latest version of >> WSJT-X includes a "DXpedition mode" that allows far greater rates >> than RTTY; and the signal to noise advantage of FT8 over CW >> (moderate) and SSB (a lot) allows QSOs over more difficult paths and >> with more modest stations. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
