Hello Steve, I totally agree with you! I get very severe overloading problems with a Winradio G313/180e and the only proposed solution by a group member was to use a smaller antenna! I'm using an horizontal loop ~96 m perimeter and with this same antenna, no problem with my K3. As i'm working mainly with JT65A(50W) and PSKnn (25W), i get very good results. For SSB, like you for CW, i will be "obliged" to add some dB to be able to be heard by a lot of stations perfectly received!( my idea is not to "break" pile-up!)
73 QRO fr Rudolf, HB9ARI (66yo ham since 1970 but "younger" since i can play with my K3 #1212!) Steve Ellington wrote: > The complaint was not "ridiculous". The original observation was....The K3 > distorts and the FT-817 doesn't under the same conditions. > > The poor guy was called stupid, ridiculous, ignorant and told he needs to > "study" and go back to school. > > I think he has a good question and I have yet to see a logical answer. > Claims that the K3 is "souped up" and exempt from strong signal overload is > the ridiculous part! > > If the K3 distorts on 109DB signals and the FT-817 doesn't then so be it. > It's a weakness. Just leave it at that. I'm sure the 817 has plenty more > weaknesses! > > Let's not let this list get like the TenTec reflector. Mention something > negative there and you are immediately put down or soon thrown off. > > I've recently subscribed to the IC-7600 Yahoo group just to watch how the > new radio was doing. So far I've seen two concerns. Some have a dimmer > screen saver than others and a few have had to do a master reset because of > audio drop out and it's starting to look like a glitch in some 3rd party rig > control program causing that. Otherwise, everyone seems satisfied. Of > course, those guys know that ICOM isn't going to respond to anything that's > said so maybe they just don't bother. > > I'm still enjoying my K3. Things have been rather lopsided lately however. I > am able to copy cw through the QRN better than the other guy, especially > when I take advantage of the NR. This gives me er...maybe 6db advantage or > so. Therefore I've ordered an ALS-600 to help make up the difference. The > K3's superior receiver is costing me money! > Steve Ellington > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Carroll" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Driveway Distortion Demolition Derby > > > >> Guy- >> >> That's a nice response to a really ridiculous complaint. >> 73 >> Bob W2WG >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger, K2AV >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:50 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Elecraft] Driveway Distortion Demolition Derby >> >> Two 100w mobiles in the same driveway and expecting linear response from >> the >> >> RX in one while transmitting on the other? Talking about volts across the >> antenna jack (or any of the connecting cables) here. Who's the EE? S9 is >> 50 uv. 1 volt = 20 log 1/ .000050 = 86 over S9. Maybe ten volts on the >> antenna. That's 106 over S9. >> >> Hearing some kind of distortion on a 100 over S9 signal is some kind of >> desperately grave trouble in a K3 trouble worth attention? Really want >> Wayne spend precious development time figuring that out? Personally I >> vote >> for 10 Hz granularity on CW using width and shift. >> >> Thought the customary form of communication from thirty feet was audio off >> the lips. Need 100 watts on 60m to communicate thirty feet? Audio >> distortion could be the driveway version of RF in the shack. 10 volts >> externally imposed RF wandering around on your cable of choice is a >> formula >> for wierdness no matter where the station. >> >> Someone is really lucky they didn't smoke something. And if the K3 did >> get >> toasted in this driveway radio demolition derby, that would be the K3's >> fault too, right? Double fault, K3 was distorting the audio while the >> front >> >> end was being roasted. Bad K3. Bad K3. >> >> Some of the radios bandied about earlier were specifically designed in >> World >> >> War II to survive conditions related to an enemy was trying to kill the >> operator. I'd call that a design standard specifically requested and paid >> for. Since one tank could be next to another, I'd call that reasonable. >> >> Such radios ARE still made and paid for. You really want to go pay for >> military grade radios, you can get them, at a price far exceeding the MSRP >> for a K3. Use a kilowatt in your driveway. No problem. Use 10 kw in your >> driveway like the CB powerfests. No problem. >> >> Personally I'd like to keep the features I pay for confined to peacetime, >> and it does not occur to me as good practice to be transmitting high power >> in the same driveway with another radio on-band with a tuned antenna. >> Others may see it differently but I consider the situation in the first >> paragraph as being careless with a friend's property. >> >> We have contest stations with such situations possible, but we use >> filters, >> stubs, remote receiving antennas, etc, to make it possible to operate >> with >> nowhere near a volt on-band. Sometimes use radios borrowed from friends, >> and guess who pays to repair a smoked front-end, and guess which >> embarrassed >> >> soul has to explain same to friend. >> >> Whether the audio was distorted in a smoke-it episode is really a low >> grade >> consideration. >> >> 73, Guy. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
