Juho--

You said:

Here's my example. It is in principle the same one I already used but now presented as a bit more realistic scenario.

I reply:

Ok, if it’s effectively the same as your first example, then doesn’t everything that I said about your first example apply to this one too?

But I’d like to make a few comments:

We have three candidates: D=Democrat, C=CentristRepublican, R=RightWingRepublican. I don't have any small party candidates, and that's maybe a deviation from realism, but let's do this simple scenario first. Sincere votes: 21: D 21: DC 03: DR 03: CD 26: CR 26: RC Many Democratic voters truncated since they were not interested in the Republican party internal battle between R and C. The R supporters note that they could vote RD and get R elected (with winning votes). They spread the word among the R supporters and press to to reach the required number of voters.

I reply:

The obvious problem with that is that such a strategy campaign would also inform the intended victims, who would refuse to rank the candidate whose voters were trying to steal the election from them. The result would be that the offensive order-reversal would backfire.

Offensive order-reversal, for that reason, won’t be a problem. But truncation will be a problem with methods (such as margins) that let it be a problem.


6 out of the 26 R supporters follow the recommended strategy (=> 20: RC, 06: RD). R wins (with winning votes). Is this scenario a credible real life scenario?

I reply:

No, because the intended victims would refuse to rank the perpetrators’candidate, and so the offensive strategy attempt would backfire.

That can be likewise said of your first example, but it’s more obvious in this one, in which you mention the press campaign for offensive strategy.

You ask:

Is there a risk that this strategy would backfire?

I reply:

Of course. Why would the strategy’s intended victims rank the perpetrators’ candidate?

How often does it happen that supporters of one candidate have the possibility to influence the outcome of the election?

I reply:

Examples suggest that that will often be the case.

You said:

P.S. One more example on winning votes and truncation. 49:AB, 48:BC, 2:CA. A supporters truncate => C wins.

I reply:

No method can help voters who won’t help themselves by voting for a compromise that they need.

You continued:

Or alternatively sincere votes are 49:AB, 48:BC, 2:CB. In this case truncation by A supporters makes it possible for C supporters to vote strategically 2:CA => C wins (instead of B that was A supporters' second favourite).

I reply:

The same comment applies here. Additionally, doesn’t everything that I said about your first example apply here too?

Mike Ossipoff


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