On Jul 26, 2008, at 12:41 , Michael Allan wrote:

OK. The dynamic is complex, and hard to predict.  I'm curious to see
what happens in reality.  Marcus Pivato said there's no way to model
this stuff in vitro (simulations), we have to run it in vivo.

I think it is possible to find and study many of the features of a method on paper. But only real life will show how people will actually behave. The psychological process is often too complex to address using few theoretical measures. Also different societies may be very different (e.g. strategic behaviour accepted vs. not).

I've since split it into 2 parallel networks of positive
(trust) and negative (doubt) signals, in order to prevent an unstable
mixture - escalating signal warfare among voters.  I'll post it later,
when the design is documented.  (It's already coded.)

Careful with the negative signals/votes. Well known figures might get more of them than what they "deserve".

Here's one more potential problem case. If some candidate receives votes
from too many directions then some of the voters should switch to not
voting this candidate directly (to make the tree structure less flat). If
many of them have about the same number of incoming votes they may be
reluctant to change their vote since they'd prefer other voters making the move first and thereby letting them stay closer to the root of the tree
(instead of ending up close to the leaves).

   (4)


     \      \  |  /      /         \  |  /
      \      \ | /      /           \ | /

   ---  E -->  C  <-- D  ---     ---  X  ---

      /      / |  \     \           / |  \
     /      /  |   \     \         /  |   \

Your description was a good explanation on how things should work when they work well. Maybe here real life use will show us how much people will behave as expected and where they start first seeing problems.

In my "potential problem case" I was maybe most interested in a situation where we would have three different D clones, D, D2 and D3. Their opinions would be relatively similar and their agenda towards influencing C would be quite similar. Maybe the ambition of all of them is to one day become a central figure like "C" or "X". They need to reorganize to be able to influence C better (otherwise E is too strong with his opposing opinions). They could organize themselves either C<-D1<-D2&D3 or C<-D2<-D1&D3 or C<-D3<-D1&D2. They all wonder which one of them will get the best seat here. (My point was just that this kind of interests may keep the tree flatter than what would be optimal.)

Juho




        
        
                
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