At 05:18 AM 12/22/2008, James Gilmour wrote:
But, of course, if it were possible to elect a "no first preferences" candidate as the Condorcet winner, such a result would completely unacceptable politically and the consequences would be disastrous.

No example is known to me. It's easy to see examples in small direct democratic situations where this compromise could clearly be the best result. We know that sometimes the best candidate, for example, doesn't make it to the ballot, even. Suppose there is a majority requirement, two candidates on the ballot. But so many voters would prefer candidate C, that some of them write it in, causing majority failure. If it's top two runoff, and write-ins are allowed, and *especially* if the runoff method doesn't cause a serious spoiler effect, the write-in can win the runoff *with a majority*. Or, in spite of the obstacles, with a plurality. Given the obstacle of not being on the ballot, it's quite likely in that case, that a majority would ratify the election.

How would this be "disastrous?"

The two situations I had in mind were:
Democrat candidate D;  Republican candidate R;  "centrist" candidate M

Centrist candidate M, let's say, was a Republican who didn't get the party's nomination because he didn't please the right "core" of the Republican Party. He's popular with many Republicans, maybe just short of a majority.... and he's popular with many Democrats, maybe even most of them. He runs as an independent in the election, or as a "Reform Party" candidate.


Election 1
35% D>M;  33% R>M;  32% M

Election 2
48% D>M;  47% R>M;  5% M

M is the Condorcet winner in both elections, but the political consequences of the two results would be very different.

Note that in both elections there is Majority failure. Thus in a primary-majority required situation, there would be a runoff. Given the Condorcet principle, and the same electorate and votes, M, if allowed to be on the ballot, would win the runoff against either of the other candidates.

If not allowed to be on the ballot, it would not escape the notice of the supporters of M that M is the Condorcet winner, a runoff write-in candidacy makes sense, as long as it doesn't spoil it.

The election of either the R or the D produces a result which is unsatisfactory to the majority. Majority rule requires something different. Majority rule requires a disaster? Minority -- plurality -- rule is better?

Bucklin in the runoff handles this situation with ease -- even if a write-in candidacy is necessary. The situation probably would not exist in the first place -- the need for a runoff -- with Bucklin or a Condorcet-compliant method. Note that in both cases, ballot truncation shows significant preference gap of M over other candidates, and minor preference gap between the D and R candidate.

How in the world would the election of M be a poor result? This is the second preference candidate of *everyone*. And that doesn't mean "lesser evil"? With poor core support in the second election, M is nevertheless considered a good alternative, a good compromise.

You are standing in a relatively isolated position, James. Robert's Rules of Order considers this failure to find a compromise winner a serious argument against sequential elimination ranked methods.

  My own view
is that the result of the first election would be acceptable, but the result of the second election would be unacceptable to the electorate as well as to the partisan politicians (who cannot be ignored completely!).

Actually, partisan politicians voiced strong objections to preferential voting systems when they "won" the first preference vote, but lost when voluntary additional preferences were added in (Bucklin) or were substituted in (IRV).

The electorate, however, was undisturbed, except for minorities supporting those politicians. Thus in Ann Arbor, MI, the Republicans arranged a repeal of IRV, scheduled when many of the students who supported the Human Rights Party and Democratic candidate were out of town. They won, with low participation in the repeal.

There is no substitute for the majority being organized! Which organization must reach across party lines.

  If such an outcome is possible with a
particular voting system (as it is with Condorcet), that voting system will not be adopted for public elections.

Bucklin, which makes the result possible, was adopted and wasn't rejected by the electorate because of this. It was rejected, often not by the electorate per se, for other reasons; the idea that the first preference winner should win was used as an argument as part of this. Want to stand on that side, the side that favors party power over public power? It's your choice!

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